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Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Post by darth_avocado »

School-Cotton wrote: post #298
xtracto wrote: post #265

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Something else... US current political climate vs immigrants doesn't help. In addition to the life prospects of potential immigrants. I'm a drop on the ocean only, but my case is the one I have: PhD in Computer Science, highly specialized and have lived and worked around the world , but there's not enough that attracts me to living in the US. Its health system issues, the animosity against minorities and immigrants a…

There is definitely animosity towards migrants in the U.S. but I’m not convinced it’s any worse than in any other country with a large immigrant population. Look at the huge advances made recently by far-right parties in Europe for example, or the riots in England. > lack of reasonable immigration paths for professionals getting a visa is the hardest part, but doable if you’re a bit lucky. Once you have the visa, get…

It can be unreasonable, like you mentioned, if you originate from specific countries. For sectors like Defense, Aerospace etc., you literally can't work unless you are a permanent resident or a citizen. Which means, even if you do have a visa, without a path to permanent immigration, you can't really contribute in those sectors, making it unreasonable.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dotnet00 wrote: post #345
Dylan16807 wrote: post #331

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> That's a meaningless distinction though. Just because there's currently no way to separate the two financially doesn't mean the complaint is invalid. There are multiple plausible ways for those finances to become untangled. > just because the owner is rich Him being just "rich" (7-8 figure threshold) is barely a factor. It's the extreme level and the way he acts.

This is why I mentioned 'reliable'. People love to whine about how extreme they perceive Musk to be, but SpaceX has continued to be as reliable as ever and hasn't shown any of the urges conspiracy theorists love to imagine they will have.

"SpaceX is reliable" and "I don't want Elon Musk to get money" are completely compatible thoughts to hold at the same time.

Complaining about a choice doesn't mean you think it's the wrong choice.

Note that I'm not really concerned with how mcmcmc feels in detail, I'm just commenting on their initial post and your response to it. They weren't objecting to money for services rendered.

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Post by boppo1 »

klyrs wrote: post #342
yunohn wrote: post #272

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> So, what next? our organs? I’m almost certain I’ve seen a study that tried to prove opening up the organ trade would help the economy and hinder the black market.

I see your organ trade study and raise you a billion dollar VC to turn kidneys into penis enlargement powder, buying at a rate that prices out the majority of dialysis patients.

You have a study for this or are you just getting off on imagined scenarios? I agree VC is largely terrible, but being hyperbolic won't help us arrive at a better solution.

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Post by Gud »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #316
kaliqt wrote: post #249

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So that's two nerds total.

Stoke Space also has a pretty huge rocket nerd at the helm[1]. And of course there's Blue Origin (even though they seem to be taking forever). The industry has been flourishing lately, though (with the possible exception of Blue Origin) it'll be a long time before these younger companies produce anything capable of rivaling Falcon 9, let alone Starship. [1]: https://everydayastronaut.com/stoke-space/

True, I'm also stoked(sorry) about stoke space. One thing I really like about Rocket Lab though, is how diversified they are.

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Post by boppo1 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #317
coliveira wrote: post #259

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I think it is a great development, the US decided to export jobs to other countries to pay less its own workers, so it fits well that now it has no expertise to build its war machines.

It doesn't even have to be like that. People want comfy WFH service jobs and college is basically just becoming 13th-16th grade at this point. America is an advanced economy and the advanced work is where the money and comfy life is. No one did anything wrong, really the problem is that too many are doing everything right. The only real answers to this is either immigrants (who undercut local workers) or some kind of…

>No one did anything wrong

No, LIRP and ZIRP are totally responsible for fundamentally causing 'growth' businesses to be valued ridiculously higher than 'dividend' businesses. Basically any business that was "profitably make stuff now" had to compete with "no profit now, but we'll for sure change the world in 20 years" for capital and making the DCFV denominator's risk-free-rate term 0 tilted the table 90 degrees toward the latter.

The reason comfy "knowledge" WFH jobs are so much more financially desireable than anything else is absolutely the fault of the FOMC. They killed price discovery.

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Post by School-Cotton »

darth_avocado wrote: post #351
School-Cotton wrote: post #298

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There is definitely animosity towards migrants in the U.S. but I’m not convinced it’s any worse than in any other country with a large immigrant population. Look at the huge advances made recently by far-right parties in Europe for example, or the riots in England. > lack of reasonable immigration paths for professionals getting a visa is the hardest part, but doable if you’re a bit lucky. Once you have the visa, get…

It can be unreasonable, like you mentioned, if you originate from specific countries. For sectors like Defense, Aerospace etc., you literally can't work unless you are a permanent resident or a citizen. Which means, even if you do have a visa, without a path to permanent immigration, you can't really contribute in those sectors, making it unreasonable.

True, that is a fair point in the context of the moon discussion.

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Post by pants2 »

armada651 wrote: post #300
klabb3 wrote: post #225

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> it has been difficult to attract and retain a contractor workforce […] in part due to […] lower employee compensation relative to other aerospace competitors You’re building rockets and complaining about the cost of skilled labor?

I always found the obsession with location-determined compensation weird. Experienced workers know exactly what their skills are worth regardless of the local labor market, so why even try surpressing their wages? Besides when you're an aerospace company producing rockets for NASA you are not building a product that the local market pays for, so why should your workers be affected by what the local market is willing…

Because with non-remote work like welders you're competing with the local market for welders. Of course if they're paying 30% below market that means they're not properly doing location-based compensation.

It's also a plain idiotic move because you'll end up with workers who cost 70% as much and are half as productive, at best, or at worst workers who cost 10,000% more because they screw up a critical component and cause massive delays.

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Post by didgeoridoo »

boppo1 wrote: post #350
elzbardico wrote: post #264

What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

My undergrad is in finance. IMO the problem is that we don't really teach what wealth is as Adam Smith defined it. A wealthy nation is not the one with the greatest stockpile of gold, but the one with the most quality goods and services easily available to its average citizens (I'm paraphrasing a bit, but you understand). Smith really stresses that profit is a measurement of the good provided to society by an activit…

You had finance professors who were unfamiliar with Bastiat’s parable of the broken window? Or unable to apply it to the military-industrial complex?

Our universities may be in worse shape than I thought.

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Post by nozzlegear »

silexia wrote: post #328
mr90210 wrote: post #70

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Off-topic: Dear proud American, pls loosen up your immigration rules for highly-skilled workers who despite the last years would still be very grateful to move to America. We want our grandchildren to one day also be proud Americans. Cheers, A friend from abroad who still believes in America

If we stopped illegal immigration, we would have far more room for high skills legal immigrants.

Highly-skilled, legal immigrants and ostensibly low-skilled, illegal immigrants are two different groups of people with different motivations. Low-skilled immigrants contribute to different kinds of jobs (e.g. agriculture, construction, domestic work) than the ones highly-skilled, legal immigrants do. A family swimming across the Rio Grande, trying to escape destitution in Venezuela, probably isn't going to take a programming job from the man or woman from India, who came to the US on a work visa.

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Post by BirAdam »

trentnix wrote: post #333
BirAdam wrote: post #280

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No one really “let them” destroy things. This is one of the key dangers of majoritarian government. The moment that people can vote for representatives the representatives will be purchased, and later, the votes will purchased. Once this happens, money will be destroyed to allow the purchasing class to rob the wealth of the civilization, and this leads to financialization of economics. This pattern has been repeated…

1971, you say? https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

Good charting. But yeah, the dollar has lost over 90% of its value since then, and the disparity between the rich and the poor has widened.
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