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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by EasyMark »

bena wrote: post #284
bombcar wrote: post #245

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Police success rates on completely random murders are insanely low partially because they're insanely rare. Complete success is something like 50% overall, but in general in many of those cases that "aren't solved" they know who did it, they also know they can't prove it.

Considering the number of people in prison who get exonerated, I'm glad that the ones "they know" did it aren't actually in jail. Because that seems like random chance that they're actually right. But it's also why I qualified my statements. That if you're looking to kill a particular person, that's way harder than "getting away with murder" in general. Police only have so many tools at their disposal. And if there i…

This is why I'm against the death penalty. I don't think that executing 95(97?) actual murderers is worth the chance of killing 5(3?) completely innocent people. That's not justice, that's just good odds, and it shouldn't apply to human life. Lock them up for life. Give an option for execution if they want to take that way out.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by EasyMark »

bena wrote: post #206
Arch-TK wrote: post #185

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Source on premeditated? Everything I saw made it look like it was spontaneous (and then he put a lot of work and some poor planning into trying to hide it). I could obviously be wrong, I didn't really spend that much time on it. (Note: I know he was initially found guilty of first degree murder but it appears that first degree murder doesn't necessarily require premeditation.)

Yeah, I don't think the murder itself was premeditated, but he did treat the event with a sort of self-serving callousness that gave the perception that he did not care about Nina's life beyond how it affected his.

that's not what premeditated murder is though. That's trying to cover up the murder which is also a crime, but a far cry from premeditated murder which is one of the most heinous crimes recognized by the legal system.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by EasyMark »

TomK32 wrote: post #48
themerone wrote: post #20

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Drunk driving is a stupid thing people do. Murder is an act of evil.

I don't understand and can't accept why crimes committed while drunk get you a lesser punishment than a crime committed while sober.

and if either happened to kill someone, the person would likely receive a similar sentence for manslaughter.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by flatt »

hnbad wrote: post #340
flatt wrote: post #323

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No, you don't understand. I don't really care about your politics, I care about the ridiculously extreme risk your toxic optimism causes society without there being an ounce of data to support your position. You are asserting that people without a conscience and a proven violent criminal past belong back in general society after some hypothetical rehabilitation program. Further, you are asserting that it is the US pr…

(EDIT: Deleted my original reply because I made the mistake of trying to reply to the text in earnest despite your complete disregard for what I said in all of your replies so far. This is still said in earnest but I won't bother trying to continue the game of talking past each other and instead address the elephant in the room directly.) > You want these people out of prison and moved right next door to me and my fa…

Heh, okay, there's a lot to unpack there. It's a lot of facts but lacking in wisdom.

The fact that you equate a person warning you about the dangers of toxic people with barely being better than one themselves means you personally need this knowledge more than anyone. You are very much at risk and certainly not from me, I can assure you. Calling out your naivete on the matter is not aggression. Far, far from. I suppose I'm guilty as charged in not having much empathy left for the Cluster B individuals of the world. Virtually everyone who has had their lives ruined, their (often overflowing) empathy weaponized against them, and their belief that people are fundamentally good destroyed, tend to end up that way. And that's one of the hardest things in recovery: most people simply can't understand it until they've had it happen to themselves personally. After all, perhaps the psychopath is the real victim here. They certainly play the part very well. Believe whatever you want about me, an internet stranger, but this is coming from a genuine place of empathy and (hard) love. So, lets try something a little different.

There's a certain catharsis in some Cluster B abuse recovery circles in passing around stories of the well-meaning idiots that go to dog rescues centers to adopt trained fighting pitbulls. They believe all the dogs need is a good, loving home and all will be well. Often, this is actually the case... right up until the moment that it isn't. Suddenly, somehow, the owner's face is inside of the pitbull's stomach, their tracea is in the neighbor's yard, or their child is lifeless on the floor in a pool of blood with the dog "smiling" at them. Everyone is shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you. How could this have happened?

Your empathy is not going to fix psychopaths. Not at a personal level or a societal level. No amount of love is going to give them a functioning conscience. Whatever happened to create them (no matter how awful) never justifies what they do to others. Personally, I don't give a damn about Reiser and wouldn't trust a single word that comes out of his mouth about anything. I used his filesystem once back in ~2004 and that's the most positive thing I have to say about him.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by shepherdjerred »

johnchristopher wrote: post #322
carcampy wrote: post #302

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Except they do. They don’t reinstall the seat. And hence removing the seat for the purpose of camping was indeed a reasonable thing to do.

> I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) Do you dig it ? A car floor is not fucking flat. That's why it's suspicious to remove the passe…

One could imagine being in the process of installing a flat surface after removing the car seat.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by shepherdjerred »

jacquesm wrote: post #165
scotty79 wrote: post #147

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> You realize the volunteer soldiers that enter a battle to kill other humans also fall under this scope? Yes. And I strongly believe there's something wrong with their brains. Not so wrong as with the brains of murderers. But to let someone's words override your innate blocks against killing is some weaknes of the brain, easily exploitable with disastrous consequences for humanity. It makes wars feasible.

I strongly disagree with you on that one. I can totally see myself volunteering to come to the defense of a country against invaders, I can absolutely not see myself volunteering (or even being conscripted) into helping some country to invade another (or to enlarge their territory). I'm a conscientious objector against military service which at the time that I did so still carried a prison sentence and even if I ende…

+1

I would never serve for an offensive war, but for example I would have been proud to serve the Allies in WW2.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jonathankoren »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #355
johnchristopher wrote: post #322

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> I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) > (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) Do you dig it ? A car floor is not fucking flat. That's why it's suspicious to remove the passe…

One could imagine being in the process of installing a flat surface after removing the car seat.

Of course! Who doesn’t decide that they would rather sleep in a car the moment their significant other goes missing? It’s just to get away from the press and the house where you had all those memories! And of course you’ll start researching crime scene analysis and cleaning methods right after she goes missing as well, because you know you’re the number one suspect, and you just want to help find the guy that did this.

The real killer is out there! And Hans and O.J. are on the case!

Seriously though. If this isn’t suspicious behavior, what would characterize as obviously suspicious behavior from a suspected murder?

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by dspillett »

IlliOnato wrote: post #315
dspillett wrote: post #53

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> I thought the usual solution when we disagree irreconcilably with a maintainer was to fork and rename? Yes. But that requires someone, or a group, to take responsibility for that and support the fork. Maintaining a filesystem can be a complex undertaking. > Seems like everyone quit Hans and nobody rallied the project back together. I think it was more like he was the core of the project with others contributing. On…

If I remember correctly (and I followed the discussions on LKML at the time, but it was a long time ago), Reiser4 was not merged because it had some "cool" features that could cause problems. For example (again, IIRC), it allowed directories to have hard links. Al Viro was adamantly against it, showing that this potentially creates some very serious problems. In particular, it allows for cycles in the directory graph…

I didn't follow LKML directly, but from what I saw elsewhere that seems right. I remember there being technical arguments against Reiser4, and the discussions about them getting interesting (not combative, but very direct) in part because Hans wasn't one with a "nicey nicey" discussion style either!

Though until Hans was out of the picture, those discussions were still on-going.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by scotty79 »

fl7305 wrote: post #326
scotty79 wrote: post #320

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I think it's ok to take life if it's your own life or help someone to take their own if there are good reasons for it. I don't know how a peaceful society should act if neigbour tries to kill them. I think if that's the case, they made a lot of mistakes already, if they reached that point. Probably the only thing to do is gather your killers and send them to kill and tell everybody it's ok this time. And most likely…

> I don't know how a peaceful society should act if neigbour tries to kill them. I think if that's the case, they made a lot of mistakes already, if they reached that point. There are literally thousands of examples throughout history of smaller ethnic groups that were completely wiped out by their bigger and more aggressive neighbors. Do you think these small groups were provoking their neighbors? Why? Did they all…

> There are literally thousands of examples throughout history of smaller ethnic groups that were completely wiped out by their bigger and more aggressive neighbors.

Exactly. Figting and killing didn't help them in any way.

> Do you think these small groups were provoking their neighbors? Why? Did they all have a death wish?

The wrong decision in that case was deciding to be separate from their neighbors despite the fact that they presented overwhelming force. They were multitude of ethnic groups who survived by getting assimilated into their stronger neighbors. You might argue that it's not a survival if culture disappears. But that's just words. Genes are what matters in any broader context.

> If the Germans would have won, they would have cleansed large parts of Europe. Do you call that "prosperity"?

They would possibly kill all the Jews which is unfortunate and a terrible loss. The rest of the populace would just become the part of their empire. And running an empire is a troublesome thing as countries like Britain found out. India used to be a British colony. And today more property is owned in London by the Indians than by native British people. Some regions of London are minority white. Nobody designed it like that. It is just a result of previous attempts at exploitation of their acquired empire. Same happened to France. Germans would eventually succumb to the same fate.

Stalin is a different thing. Just because Russians are terrible at everything. I'm still sure they wouldn't manage to keep whole Europe under their shoe for long. And if they did that would mean they seriously stepped up their game, so prosperity of sorts.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by tabataga »

jonathankoren wrote: post #42
dale_glass wrote: post #17

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He was far less of a mastermind than he fancied himself at the time. If I recall, he bought a book on murder investigations and a socket set after his wife's disappearance (which was easily tracked back to him), removed car seats (blood) from his car, and willingly testified in court that it was his manly dream to sleep in the car, or something along these lines. He could have likely gotten away with it if he kept hi…

I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) I think it was my first experience with absolute egregious fanboism.

The fanboys spilled over to HN as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=176098

They were even at it after Reiser led police to his wife's body: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=240814

Best comment on that thread, calling out their ridiculous takes:

> I gotta say it: the guy was a f-cking murderer and yet you guys are arguing about whether he got a fair trial, even after he led the cops to the strangled, decomposing corpse. And then complaining about the sheer brass neck of a journo who fails to show appropriate respect to this f-cking murderer. What, just because he hacked on Linux once upon a time? Jeez, you really couldn't make this stuff up.

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