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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Let's assume they shrink from 300 to 30 employees. After some time they adjust internal processes, focus on the original goals and main use cases, weeding out unnecessary features, and having stable applications for Desktop, web & mobile. 30 people should be sufficient to maintain & support & maybe even improve it a bit for a long time given a healthy revenue stream from loyal customers.

Not sure if something like this ever happened in the history of software. :)

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

logseq is open source, but you gotta pay for (e2ee) sync. Joplin is open source and you can do e2ee with a joplin server or s3 backed. I didn't care for Obsidian. logseq for me.

Paying for sync is absolutely fine as long as the client is open source. Thanks for the logseq recommendation, it looks very good from the first sight! I only wish they had NeoVim plugin like Obsidian has.

I have never used this, but for NeoVim it looks like you might be able to use this (or hack on it a bit to make it work with LogSeq a bit better) https://github.com/artempyanykh/marksman

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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> How they intend to do that without any staff Contractors from cheaper cost of living countries, I expect.

intend to do what? acquirer probably has no intention of keeping the app running. just reaping whoever subscribes as profit, and having no opex

They probably intend to keep the app running. And nothing else.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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AFAIK, Bending Spoons is a company that successfully launched a couple of mobile apps and they know how to make a living out of it. According to an engineer who works for them and who I know, it’s a very demanding and stressing environment to work in. Probably they simply plan to throw more work at their existing employees. The plan was to buy Evernote and make it profitable. It wouldn’t surprise me if they kill the…

I think they BUY mobile apps.

Their modus operandi seems to be:

1) Buy successful mobile app.

2) Increase the prices to insane amounts.

3) Profit off of the people still using the overpriced app.

4) Use the profits to buy another mobile app.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

For me, it's an example of a company building an app that did a thing well, but not a thing people would pay for. And then switching out the app for this monstrous platformy enterprisey catastrophe that I sure as hell never wanted, and being told to pay for it. Just an endless series of features that I never wanted.

Evernote’s files are `.enex` which is a variation of html.

At least, they used to be. I haven’t checked recently, but this was the case for many years. Don’t know if they’ve changed anything recently.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He gave the Obsidian example, which is a great one, so no. Obsidian shows you can still do well as a noted app company if you are selling the right thing (sync).

But you can sync your Obsidian notes for free if you use free Dropbox or OneDrive accounts.

This isn't trivial when you start syncing mobile (now you need an extra app, as onedrive doesn't support local), or onto a work device (where I don't want onedrive installed)

There's work arounds (for example I forgot the name, but one plugin allows you to setup onedrive to share just one folder via logging in on each device), but the syncing story wasn't great. Quite a bit of extra setup across all devices, more points of failure etc.

Hence the smart business model, of let us handle it for you for a small cost.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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> How they intend to do that without any staff is something I would like to know about.

A company I worked for did the same thing. They got rid of basically all of the staff and just outsourced everything to cut costs. I'd assume that's the plan here.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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post #329

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So much shit here against GDPR which is basically: 1. if you want your data removed, companies HAVE to remove your data 2. if you don't want your data stored, companies CANNOT store your data and then a bunch of if-when-then-else-must-cannot-time-dependent-legal-stuff

You conveniently forgot to define what really is "your data".

If you send an email from gmail to me, you don't get to ask that it be deleted just because you decide to delete your own gmail account. (Well you can ask but it would be unreasonable to comply. Same, if arguably less strongly, for comments you've made on posts or in threads on social media.)
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