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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by stubybubs »

Mistletoe wrote: post #102
julianz wrote: post #7

I wonder how that 100 year guarantee is holding up? https://longnow.org/ideas/evernote-and-the-100-year-data-gua...

I’m reminded of a quote from Tommy Boy about guarantees. > Ted Nelson, Customer : But why do they put a guarantee on the box? >Tommy : Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buyi…

Tommy Boy quotes? A true scholar of the old school.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by barsonme »

greggsy wrote: post #134
xeromal wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a threat to commit a crime if it was posted before the law existed?

Exactly. Retrospective laws like that would face stiff opposition.

Ex post facto laws should be prohibited in any civilized country.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by xvilka »

nilespotter wrote: post #127
xvilka wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not open source. If migrate from Evernote, at least it's better to migrate to FOSS. Sadly, most FOSS solutions lack mobile app support.

logseq is open source, but you gotta pay for (e2ee) sync. Joplin is open source and you can do e2ee with a joplin server or s3 backed. I didn't care for Obsidian. logseq for me.

Paying for sync is absolutely fine as long as the client is open source. Thanks for the logseq recommendation, it looks very good from the first sight! I only wish they had NeoVim plugin like Obsidian has.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by andsoitis »

julianz wrote: post #7

I wonder how that 100 year guarantee is holding up? https://longnow.org/ideas/evernote-and-the-100-year-data-gua...

> a legally binding guaratee that users’ data will be maintained for 100 years, even if the company itself is bought or ceases to be.

If you ain’t got the cash, your words don’t matter

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by briHass »

bachmeier wrote: post #116
belthesar wrote: post #79

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

> Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features I don't think so. They had plenty of paying customers. They claimed to be profitable for a long time (eg https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/evernote-rai... ). They had trouble with (i) implementing big price hikes, and (ii) a poor, bug-filled user experience. While that was going on, they were…

If you're on Windows, OneNote is almost impossible to compete with. Even though it's part of the Office suite, it's a free, stand-alone download. The phone apps are free, and you get 5GB of free storage. Then, for less than the cost of Evernote, you can get a O365 subscription and get the Office suite and 1TB of storage.

Even though OneNote is basically a loss-leader, it's extremely powerful and flexible. It's been around longer than any other note-app, and it's still here as Evernote fades into oblivion.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by system2 »

emodendroket wrote: post #95
jrm4 wrote: post #17

At the risk of I told you so, it was always a stupid idea. Any service like this that "requires the cloud," but is personal or individual and could be replaced by completely non-cloud software WILL go obsolete. Obsidian, et al understand this.

Services that rely on local storage are vulnerable to their own data loss scenarios as well as being much less convenient.

If you can use a basic hosting with backup features, you can simply use a $5 droplet to sync almost everything possibly you can think of. Or OneDrive / Google Drive if you are using Windows based applications with databases. It is really not that difficult to keep data safe and backed up.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by ledauphin »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #114
ledauphin wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

great to hear that it works, but it is hilariously expensive for what it does. When the price comes down to $3/month, I'll start paying for it. Until then, I'll use Syncthing for free.

I use syncthing. A lot. Best thing ever. I used evernote a long while ago. How can i bridge the divide between all devices between those too ? In a way that is cross-device and helps with notes/tags etc ? I suspect you are keeping a specific folder of random files as your note taking location ?

yes, I use obsidian and I have several vaults, and each is its own directory that is synced independently using Syncthing to whichever devices need to be able to access each vault.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by Falkon1313 »

emodendroket wrote: post #95
jrm4 wrote: post #17

At the risk of I told you so, it was always a stupid idea. Any service like this that "requires the cloud," but is personal or individual and could be replaced by completely non-cloud software WILL go obsolete. Obsidian, et al understand this.

Services that rely on local storage are vulnerable to their own data loss scenarios as well as being much less convenient.

Or much more convenient, given that the data is local and almost always available without the vagaries of an internet connection and remote server (except if/when all the bad local data loss scenarios happen at once and you need to restore from your cloud backup).
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