India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces
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"Is there something dystopian about India or Soviet Union that is unlike the Global North?" Actually, I would place the soviet union in the global north (you cannot go much further north, than russia is). And the difference is the extent, what they did to rewrite history. The famous removal of Trotzki out of revolution pictures, after he was not with the main party anymore. Stuff like this, did not happen in the west…
Some one said the west cares about social rights and freedom vs Soviets or Indian people. Both societies were better with many forms of expression including gender and sexuality.
This is a good example of history being rewritten for the Global North as the vanguards of social justice and liberal freedom. IE India has been better with trans people and Soviets with gay people.
The Trotsky stuff is a big deal in the context of socialist states. Not the Global North. I fail to see the difference of the extent with some victims of COINTELPRO or the rewritten history of figures like Ho Chi, Ernesto Guevara, Cuba (Castros), Allende, Lumumba, Mao, Sankara, Kabil, Bhutto, Tito, and so on.
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#353AI-assisted media manipulation will have an interesting effect on evidence becoming subject to reasonable doubt. Ten years ago, showing a video in court was damning evidence. I expect it to become less so.
Courts have dealt with issues of manipulation of content and falsification of provenance of video and photographic evidence for a long time, actually.
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>> Take the World Happiness Index 2023 which ranked India lower than Pakistan ... May be World Happiness Index 2023 data is bit flawed. But I don't think that means whole world is sharing propaganda against India. >> Heck we get 100Mbps-1Gbps unlimited internet connectivity anywhere in India at the lowest rates possible in the entire World. How is it an achievement of Government while this was done by private compani…
What nonsense. It is exact opposite of what you are saying. BSNL was always a loss making company that never innovated and was kept stagnant for decades. We all saw how shabby the 2G rollout was. And who subsidized BSNL? It was us, the tax payers. They never turned a profit even once. Even now they are "expected" to turn a profit in 2026-27.
What you are advocating for is maximum Government. That almost always ends in disaster. What you should be aiming for is minimum Government. We, the People, have granted Government powers through the Constitution. The reason we did that is because somethings are best managed by the Government than either free markets or people themselves: building infrastructure, security, law and order, healthcare, protecting borders. Anything beyond this is not mandate of the Government. Government has no business being in business. The more private players are encouraged the better for growth of an country/economy. The less Government intervention the better.
Reliance bought the licenses for 4G through an auction. And it was bought in 2010 (during Congress ruled UPA era). So your ridiculous accusation of "giving favourable treatment to private companies" applies to Congress more than anyone else. Either ways, I don't find anything wrong in it as it was a fair auction that did not go the ways of 2G scam. The auction happened during the Congress regime. Reliance won. But Congress failed to setup the infrastructure needed for Reliance to build the network. This is where the Government is needed to intervene and help out by building infrastructure. PPP partnerships are forged for this reason only. Government builds basic infrastructure (like connecting roads, electricity lines, plumbing etc), Private Companies build plants, machinery and in this case installing antennas and laying of fibre optic cables. It takes two to tango. Congress was missing in the picture as it was busy with corruption. It is only when BJP came to power that this project was fast tracked.
> where Reliance is using money raised from state bank to give dirt cheap internet connection to public and killing the competition
Lol you are talking as if Reliance had underdogs as competitors. Airtel, Vodafone, Idea etc are all billion dollar companies. They could have easily taken on Reliance. In fact they were quite content with their dominence in the sector and refused to innovate. It is not Reliance's fault if the competition was caught sleeping at the wheels.
> They have already started raising the prices now that several competitors are gone.
Welcome to Capitalism 101. This is how it works everywhere. Not just in India.
> How is it an achievement of Government while this was done by private companies like Reliance
Did I say it is achievement of the Government anywhere? I talked about positive changes that are happening in India and the infrastructure developmental projects that are shaping such outcomes. For Reliance to lay their antennas and fibre optic cables it requires Government to support through infrastructure development. By making connecting roads/highways and digging necessary lines for fibre optic cables to be laid. This is the work of the Government: infrastructure. The Government did not setup the network. I never said that anywhere.
> Reliance raises money from public banks, Reliance uses that money to get tower network of public owned BSNL, Reliance gets priority over BSNL to launch 4G, Reliance is in profit while BSNL is in loss, Government employee phone connections are transferred from BSNL to private entity Reliance.
Dude how different is it from the West? Even in the West you have Verizon, AT&T etc. Does the US have something equivalent to BSNL? Nope it doesn't. In fact I want Modi to shut down BSNL. It is a big drain on tax payer money. Just like US doesn't have any state owned telecom companies, India shouldn't have one either. Especially one which is stagnant and unable to innovate. We can use the tax payer money for other better causes.
> Why care about other stupid organizations while you have "Whatsapp university" to keep us informed. [5]
When you have no proper rebuttal this is the crap you come up with. This is why Opposition can never win the General Election in India. You guys suck at this. Most of your information is hollow at best. No proper study. Just a bunch of links from media stories. If you had known that Reliance won the 4G auction during UPA regime you wouldn't have even made this point.
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Geez. Techies trying to come up with tech solutions to fundamentally non-tech problems. The photogtapher can just zoom in or get closer to the object to crop the image before it's even taken. Oh you now want a 360 degree shot to prove this didn't happen? Well then they stand behind a tree or a car or some other object to hide parts of the scene behind. etc. etc. There is no technical solution to this problem.
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Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…
So I mean, postmodernism is a pretty "diverse" field, and while there are some who would claim to be full relativists, they aren't usually taken very seriously. What someone like Herbert Marcuse would claim is that there is something like a "definite negation," or Jacques Derrida would call a "trace;" that is, there, sitting behind every signifier (of de Saussure's structural linguistics) its negation of another sign…
So in your understanding of academic philosophy, how do you account for the critical difference between the two statements below?
“Earth is flat.”
“Earth is a spheroid.”
I don’t see what is fallacious about accepting the second statement as corresponding to facts and dismissing the former for not corresponding. If it’s merely a matter of semantics regarding the words “correspondence” and “truth”, an alternative verbalisation of the critical distinction between those two statements must nonetheless be available; and it should be prioritised in discourse.
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"Is there something dystopian about India or Soviet Union that is unlike the Global North?" Actually, I would place the soviet union in the global north (you cannot go much further north, than russia is). And the difference is the extent, what they did to rewrite history. The famous removal of Trotzki out of revolution pictures, after he was not with the main party anymore. Stuff like this, did not happen in the west…
Yup, it's not unique to the Soviet union, the Soviet union is just a particularly salient example. I wouldn't have anything like Trotsky being edited out at hand for the us.
What about stolen land. Along with the death, destruction that ensues. Would stolen land that is “edited out” in the US or caused because of the US come close?
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> Maybe it is relevant I think it absolutely is relevant, given that the conversation itself was about changing narratives, as a meta point. > you almost make it sound like Web3 has a second chance or something. This thread itself, is one of the rare ones where bringing up web3 actually is relevant, yes. It is reasonable for him to make that argument, because the topic is literally about how to authenticate things wh…
> as a meta point. I mean, it's a stretch. I could use that stretching metaphor as an excuse to talk about taffy for 4 paragraphs, but it doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. Scrounging up discussion about Web3 on an Indian government exposé is off-topic, and readers will flag it. It's equally substantial as those "this is good for Bitcoin" posts that get flagged under every article about a gov…
It really isn't. Because it is one of the normally very rare use cases for web 3 stuff, and the topic is directly about a case where such a thing would be needed.
> it has been hard to authenticate information online
That's nice and all. But the claim was that people were previously dismissing opinions about AI that are now mainstream.
So yes, you'd be wrong if you were outright dismissing these opinions about AI before, which are now popular.
And it is useful and interesting to point out how previous opinions that were dismissed out of hand, are now mainstream, using this situation as an example.
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Most Indians were never secular. Before, they hadn’t got a voice or representation. BJP came into power by tapping into the latent sentiment in majority of Indians. It's much like how Trump was elected. If you think that majority of Indians were ever secular, I think that you never left the bubble of upper middle class, city based society. Hindus are, generally much more advanced than Muslim in terms of education, fi…
I'm not Indian, but I heard that there is also a rift between south Indians (Tamil) and the northerners. Are Tamils Hindu as well? Where do they play into this?
Calling it rift is a bit of a stretch.