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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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In Saudi Arabia atheists are terrorists. And they also have the death penalty for terrorism.

It's so horrible. They probably think that they're helping atheists by sending them to the afterlife early. But what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.

>> what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.

I’m sorry what? Is this the predominant/common belief among other atheists? Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken with is more likely to think you just turn off, everything goes black, back to the void of unlife.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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But that doesn't say that America or anyone else was behind it either. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence after all. Theres no conclusive proof that any particular party was behind it, but given that a single pipe was left (something America wouldn't do if it was looking to take out Germanys capacity to use Russian gas) the only obvious conclusion was that it was Russia.

Of course it doesn't say that explicitly-- are you unfamiliar with the purpose that the Washington Post serves? You think because one pipeline survived that it was intentional? After all of the US disasters in the Middle East you somehow still believe in its omnipotence? And one pipeline surviving means little when the new pipelines that were destroyed had much better economics for Russia (and Germany, for that matte…

I think the US operating in friendly waters is capable of destroying 4 pipelines close together.

But if you want to believe what you want to believe that is fine.

But you should know that Russia is capable of sending autonomous robots down the pipelines.

Sounds like a good way to blow a hole in them.

The truth is that we have no evidence one way or the other but you are absolutely certain in your conviction.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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I'm not sure that hyperbole is possible when you're discussing the necessity of having worldwide biometric "terrorist" lists that countries like Saudi Arabia would participate in. ----- edit: How would you code "terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female" or "terrorism through being Yemen?" "Terrorism though applying for a marriage license after being mildly critical in the WaPo."

> terrorism through public demonstrations of driving while female Do you think Saudi Arabia is the Taliban or what? Even when it was banned, it wasn't the big of an offense. And yes its no longer banned, and there are a lot of women drivers now.

> Do you think Saudi Arabia is the Taliban or what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Ar...

"In September 2011, a Sudanese migrant worker was beheaded for sorcery"

Was this a rhetorical question?

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

Because sovereignty ends at borders. Europeans want to vacation in the US. The US demands biometric authentication upon crossing the border. So you either give them that data or the US stops letting Europeans in. And I doubt Europe is going to be any better at not demanding biometric data than the US is, because Europe has the same underlying incentives to do so (i.e. a restrictive immigration system, a large portion…

EU doesn't enforce fingerprints scan on the border most of the time. It's very strange, as all the infrastructure is there, passports and alien ids have fingerprints included in them, there are fingerprint-scanning machines on border crossing points, yet I'm yet to see it being used ever.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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post #352

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It's so horrible. They probably think that they're helping atheists by sending them to the afterlife early. But what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever.

>> what if the atheist is right and when you die, your last moment alive becomes frozen in your consciousness forever. I’m sorry what? Is this the predominant/common belief among other atheists? Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken with is more likely to think you just turn off, everything goes black, back to the void of unlife.

Yeah, they just made up. :/

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

#359

Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

Considering that 9/11 was in part a Saudi kingdom operation, I’m not convinced having more US-Saudi cooperation would have helped Edit: what’s with the downvotes?

>Edit: what’s with the downvotes?

You're pushing a baseless conspiracy theory. There is no evidence that Saudi authorities were involved in 9/11.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Reading through the slides, it appears that what has been discussed is sharing signature and fingerprints for travel into the USA. There is a lot of weasel words, but it's probably worth nothing that the USA currently collects this information for foreign nationals coming into the USA (as the EU does for Americans traveling into the EU). This is being done in the context of a DB query as part of the e VISA applicatio…

> where US and Saudi systems did not communicate and resulted in known terrorists in Saudi Arabia being able to travel at will into the USA. I'm not even sure how to classify this sentence...

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