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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by pjmlp »

manigandham wrote: post #330
pjmlp wrote: post #173

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When teammates ask me why my VS setup feels so fast compared with theirs, my answer is quite simple, I don't use resharper.

That's mostly Visual Studio's problem with multithreading, process communication, and 32-bit memory size limitations. Rider (basically Intellij with Resharper plugins) is incredibly fast and productive in comparison, and VS 2022 is finally catching up with the move to 64-bit.

Why should I bother to pay for an IDE that only has a subset of the features of IDE developed by the platform owner?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by pjmlp »

thrower123 wrote: post #332
pjmlp wrote: post #173

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When teammates ask me why my VS setup feels so fast compared with theirs, my answer is quite simple, I don't use resharper.

A world where ReSharper hadn't existed would have the same old craptastic minimal refactoring tools that VS 2013 had. I'm glad JetBrains is pushing Microsoft to improve

Borland taught me to always bet on the platform owner instead of playing catch-up with third parties.

I never bothered with paying for extra plugins and know Visual Studio since version 5.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by urthor »

greenmana wrote: post #92
curyous wrote: post #22

It is supposed to be fast, but starts up in “seconds”. Shame.

Doesnt' really matter in my daily life if some IDE takes 0.1 or 10 seconds to start, since it's done so rarely. Might be more annoying with an editor if you're opening files often, then it starts to add up. Or if the editor is slow with editing and scrolling big files, like VSCode is.

exactly this.

I take 30 minutes to get into flow state, how long the IDE takes to start is irrelevant.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by kaba0 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #55
creshal wrote: post #11

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Same. > For years folks have been asking us, “JetBrains, when will you create a lightweight editor?” I sure never did. If anything, I want their IDEs to be more involved and sophisticated. Otherwise I'm likely going to cancel our company subscriptions next year, VSCode is starting to overtake e.g. PyCharm in terms of developer comfort. So I really hope this is just a tech demonstrator to renew the architecture of the…

For sure. I like IntelliJ, all I want is for it to be snappier; it gets pretty laggy with bigger files (like, more than one screen), it seems to have to do a lot of work that interrupts the main UI thread when it comes to redoing syntax highlighting and error checking. I mean, the main reason why I'm not using vs code for most of my work is because it's cmd+click to go to definition isn't as good, auto/hotfixes aren'…

I don’t know why Jetbrains doesn’t already switch to a newer jdk. I found this tutorial (only the vm options part) to make intellij really snappy: https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-r...

It basically changes the jdk to version 16 (I used one from the openjdk website, not azul) where the new low-latency ZGC garbage collector is available and increases the default heapsize. Now I have a quite large project open with 1.5GB memory used, and it is really smooth all around with no stutters.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by dunefox »

ksec wrote: post #322
zRedShift wrote: post #154

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Official response: https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/11/29/welcome-to-fleet/... It’s written in Kotlin mainly, a little bit of Rust for native parts, Skiko (Skija + AWT) The UI framework is similar to Compose, but we started when Jetpack Compose wasn’t there :)

Damn I was hoping to see some GraalVM AOT Java Magic. I wonder if they have plan to use Kotlin Native. But dogfooding is always good.

I think that would have been a great case for Kotlin native.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by ivanstame »

Not that exciting tbh. You showed nothing new and it's probably going to be paid software (closed source for sure), and comparing that to VSCode + Copilot (which is blowing my mind day by day) I don't see why would I switch. And that pair programming session is so faaaaaake.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by 5560675260 »

dagmx wrote: post #292
5560675260 wrote: post #190

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Instead of learning english those people will now struggle both with english and programming, it is really a disservice. And when you'll collaborate with people using poorly translated terminology you'll struggle too.

This is such a self centered colionolist attitude. Not everyone is going to be collaborating with foreigners. Even if a programming language is based around an English view, many company APIs may be based on their own primary communication language. Or it may just help someone who's still great at communicating in English to work more efficiently, when English isn't their primary language. Choice is good. Don't force…

It might look like there is a choice, but there is one good option and many bad ones.

As long as english stays lingua franca, it will be the default language of every specs, docs and tool that matter. Even if development happens outside of anglosphere - nobody wants to get locked out of international community. There is just no getting away from this, unless Yellowstone eruption erases most of US and China gets to be a world leader.

> Not everyone is going to be collaborating with foreigners

Sure, someone can work for a pittance on an internal market. Handicapping you career like this is an example of a bad choice that I'm talking about. You wouldn't even be able to get a job in any decent company without going through an english language test first. This isn't obvious only if you yourself live in US and naively think that every other country is equally ripe with opportunity.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by mananaysiempre »

nicce wrote: post #189
LeonM wrote: post #137

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I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

Tools are also free for open-source development: https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ And for educational use (teachers) as well. So I don't see a reason to jump on the freemium bandwagon. They offer a lot for free already.

I wouldn’t call this “free for open-source development”. It’s free for open-source development as long as the developer receives no money. This would literally be stricter than Visual Studio Community except that last I checked the latter refused to work without an online account for more than a month.

Needless to say, JetBrains are free to license and price their stuff however they want. But omitting this particular caveat to “free for open source” when important community-led projects regularly struggle to support themselves leaves a bad taste in my mouth. (The same kind of condition was, for example, used to chase curl off the free tier of Travis CI[1].) To their partial credit, JetBrains themselves only make this omission in the first sentence on the linked page and add “non-commercial” in the second.

[1]: https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/7150

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by avl999 »

jatone wrote: post #297
wpietri wrote: post #278

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Yeah, if you just want a text editor and not an IDE, you probably shouldn't be using an IDE. Those things that are "just not" helpful to you are very helpful to others. Personally, I very much want an actual IDE for a lot of my work. So I'm happy to buy a fast machine with plenty of RAM and then give the IDE a good chunk of it. But I'm glad they're making Fleet for folks with other preferences, and I'm sure I'll be u…

no I want my IDE to be functional without destroying my system performance or fucking up my codebase. jet brains is a massive offender here. it doesn't need to be. I have a giant machine ~128GB of RAM and 24 cores. the fact I have to tune my IDE is insane. the not helpful issues with jetbrains are when it crashes, slows down my system, prevents me from modifying files because reasons, modifies my build configurations…

> jet brains is a massive offender here. it doesn't need to be. I have a giant machine ~128GB of RAM and 24 cores. the fact I have to tune my IDE is insane.

You are doing something very wrong if that's the case. I have 2 big projects open in my IDE (GoLand), it has not been closed since Nov 16 and as I type this it is using ~3.8 GB of RAM and ~3% CPU on my work 2019 Mac Book

My personal travel laptop is ~2014 era thinkpad T430, an outdated machine and it has never once hiccuped while running the IDE.

This is almost certainly a "you not JetBrains" problem.

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