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Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by daniel-cussen »

astrange wrote: post #167
lazide wrote: post #11

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If you overlap Elon Musks behavior (or a number of quite famous musicians) with ADHD diagnosis charts, you’re going to have a fun time. Like most things, we celebrate the high functioning folks and denigrate those who aren’t. Kids are also expected to fall in line and be easy to manage, and those that aren’t get medicated.

> If you overlap Elon Musks behavior (or a number of quite famous musicians) with ADHD diagnosis charts, you’re going to have a fun time. That's cocaine. You're thinking of cocaine.

There's users[1] finding out later they got hooked because they had ADD, and they could have gotten all the benefits of a stimulant without the medical harm, medical risk, legal risk, expense, burned bridges, and emotional problems of cocaine if they could address their ADD properly.

[1] I think it was on this forum that there was a comment about people finding out they had ADD after landing in prison for drug-related crimes.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by grep_name »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #39
nerdbaggy wrote: post #17

Seems that lots of people only think ADHD people have a hard time paying attention. If it was that simple I would be so happy. Here are just a few of the things I struggle with. - Will power. People with ADHD struggle sooooo much with will power. It’s a constant struggle with everything in life and really wears you down. - Constantly putting on a fake front pretending you don’t have ADHD. - Rejection sensitivity - Fe…

This is a great start. I’ll add some more: - Other common mental health issues like anxiety and depression. I experience both chronically, treating my ADHD is currently the only management I need, nothing else has ever worked. - Sensory sensitivity including overload, confusion, neurological disorders. Hyperacusis and auditory processing disorder are my main issues. I just learned this past weekend that tinnitus may…

> Hyperacusis

I didn't know this was associated with ADHD but have struggled with this my whole life. Is there anything at all that can be done about this? If I go to a concert or sometimes even just riding a motorcycle, earplugs are not quite enough

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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eyelidlessness wrote: post #317
runawaybottle wrote: post #314

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It’s all good, I was just trolling ya’ll. No hard feelings :) What I can offer you is a private email in the event you ever think you might need someone that gets it (could be years down the line or never). I won’t be shocked and I’ll listen, if you are not above that.

Also after some thought, I flagged your response. I recognize that it will add scrutiny to my own. But I welcome this community’s moderation and I think the way you’ve acted is more important than my emotional reaction.

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Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by herbst »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #308
herbst wrote: post #168

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To be fair i have adhd (as child and adult now) but my doctors always agreed that stimulants arent necessary. I think this is the main cultural difference, not that its underdiagnosed

> my doctors always agreed that stimulants arent necessary Is this because it's looked down on? Are you able to function perfectly as a normal adult? i.e. all the symptoms from the top posts are in check through habits, etc? If so, what's your secret? Because just living is very difficult and that's WITH vyvanse+2 energy shots per day with l-tyrosine, taurine, b6, b12, b3 and at least a little l-theanine per day.

No not really. More because i dont really like getting hyper and there is no job i have to wake up for everyday to unholy times. In my last real job i took amphetamines (dextro*) but that made my general mindset worse. Ritalin made me straight up dont like myself anymore. I too take l-theanin, b-stack and ashwagandha everyday these days.

I am far from a perfectly normal adult. I never tried getting there tho

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by ekianjo »

emteycz wrote: post #326
ekianjo wrote: post #257

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> People thinking it’s not a real condition Well it certainly does not help that ADHD diagnosis is closer to art than Science. There is probably a bunch of disorders that we just call ADHD for the lack of better tools. Disclaimer: I used to work on drug dev for ADHD

Do you think improved brain imaging could help with this, or is it still not precise enough?

Probably, but that will require a lot of testing and a lot of prior studies to occur before we can get there.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by ekianjo »

filterfish wrote: post #271
ekianjo wrote: post #257

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> People thinking it’s not a real condition Well it certainly does not help that ADHD diagnosis is closer to art than Science. There is probably a bunch of disorders that we just call ADHD for the lack of better tools. Disclaimer: I used to work on drug dev for ADHD

Isn't that true of an awful lot of conditions; "differential diagnosis"?

Yes, true for many conditions, but everything directly related to the nervous system becomes very complicated to diagnose with precision, because the brain still remains mostly a black box in terms of how it works and how it fails to work "normally". We are learning more and more constantly but it's still an area of very active research.

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by SulpiciusG »

The_rationalist wrote: post #62
eyelidlessness wrote: post #39

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This is a great start. I’ll add some more: - Other common mental health issues like anxiety and depression. I experience both chronically, treating my ADHD is currently the only management I need, nothing else has ever worked. - Sensory sensitivity including overload, confusion, neurological disorders. Hyperacusis and auditory processing disorder are my main issues. I just learned this past weekend that tinnitus may…

How does one treat chronic anxiety? Xanax has a miracle reputation but like all other benzos it is said to only works temporarily as a hotfix, then you build up tolerance and you go back to your baseline Pre Xanax (or worse). What is very frustrating about such explanations is that I can't tell if it exactly put you back to your pre Xanax era or if after tolerance builds up (for a same dose) you are better than befor…

If it can be characterized as social anxiety, you might want to check out some studies done in Turkey with adults who experienced social anxiety (SA) and some with ADHD too. There were on an antidepressant that was supposed to relieve their social anxiety, but it didn't. When the two patients with ADHD and SA started taking Ritalin for their ADHD, it helped, and to the surprise of all, a positive side effect occurred: their social anxiety went away. Eventually they were allowed to stop taking the antidepressant; the ADHD treatment was the only drug they needed. Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25955266/ Done again with 18 patients https://www.mdlinx.com/article/methylphenidate-improved-both... Neither study had a placebo control. Who cares When something works for social anxiety, it works. If people could wishfully-think their way out of that debilitating state of affairs, they would.

There are massive risks with Ritalin/methylphenidate. How to you ever stop taking it? Does it impair health over the long run? Will you abuse it, sell it, or smoke it? Ideally it could be used like training wheels, briefly, until the person got into the habit of not being socially anxious,and then kicked to the curb. I cannot say I recommend any psychiatric drugs. When people "try" them, they should be aware that it is easier to enter drugworld than it is to leave it.

Optional: If you observed Scott Staph's (Creed singer) 2014 or '15 meltdown, you already know what a bad result on stimulants prescribed for ADHD can look like. It was hard to piece his story together because it's a story of harm by pharma. Most mainstream stories left out the part about an antidepressant making him feel like hell and his attempt to feel better on Adderall instead. In childhood he'd had an ADHD diagnosis and was prescribed a stimulant for it. ABC had the details: https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/creed-frontman-scott-st...

Unfortunately he got sucked into the BS "bipolar" fantasy world after that. The drugs prescribed generally do not work and each class of drugs has a way of making life exquisitely hellish. When I read that he was going for treatment, I figured that was it for his career. People can't function on those drugs. If only he could just get away from it all for a while... https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/creed-frontman-scott-st...

Re: FDA approves new ADHD drug for children

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Post by SulpiciusG »

nerdbaggy wrote: post #17

Seems that lots of people only think ADHD people have a hard time paying attention. If it was that simple I would be so happy. Here are just a few of the things I struggle with. - Will power. People with ADHD struggle sooooo much with will power. It’s a constant struggle with everything in life and really wears you down. - Constantly putting on a fake front pretending you don’t have ADHD. - Rejection sensitivity - Fe…

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