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Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by ashtonkem »

jimbob45 wrote: post #14
vincentmarle wrote: post #2

> Store food in glass containers, not plastic. Above all, don’t microwave foods in plastic or with plastic wrap on top. Avoid pesticides. Buy organic produce if possible. Avoid tobacco or marijuana. Use a cotton or linen shower curtain, not one made of vinyl. Don’t use air fresheners. Prevent dust buildup. Vet consumer products you use with an online guide like that of the Environmental Working Group. I really want t…

Yeah this is my issue. I have to drink bottled water for water quality reasons. How am I supposed to avoid plastic there?

Get a water filter and drink tap. They sell filters made primarily out of steel.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by buildbot »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #215
stickfigure wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Africanized "killer" bees are a result of traditional crossbreeding techniques gone awry. Don't romanticize traditional agriculture; mashing up genes randomly is not an inherently safer process.

I'm not romanticizing anything. GMO is relatively new. We know a thimbleful of information about nutrition and health generally. We know even less than that about what more recent inventions do to the human body because there is simply less of a track record and time span in which to determine meaningful data and conclusions. Saying "We don't know what this new thing does to our health" in no way romanticizes anythin…

GMO isn’t that new is it? At this point the field is over half a century old? Right thaolidomide was really bad and we stopped using right away. GMOs enable us to support 7 billion people, without improved yields the world would probably starve. It’s good to question, but Questioning is different than fear mongering, there are very few wormholes

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by buildbot »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #147
jesperlang wrote: post #144

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I was eating lots of miso, tofu and soy sauce when I lived in japan without issue. In europe i tried soy milk once and got an instant allergic reaction (itchy soar throat). The difference being soy milk is just soaked, ground up, boiled soy bean..

Someone once told me allergic reaction to soy may actually be allergic reaction to GMO soy, not soy per se. There may be very different stats from one country to another on how much GMO soy gets used.

Can you link a study that shows GMO soy having different proteins that would cause a specific reaction vs. non gmo? Otherwise it seems like you are hear to just spread anti gmo fud, which really hurts actual discourse around GMOs.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by ReactiveJelly »

kleer001 wrote: post #287
esja wrote: post #101

Can these endocrine disruptors also contribute to gender dysphoria?

Probably not Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria. That's social. Additionally transexuals have appeared in every extant civilization. Some women have felt more like themselves passing as men and some men have felt more themselves passing as women. From Indian to Chinese to Native Americans there's always been people like that. I'm pretty sure any impression of there being more of them is due to news cycles, fast communicati…

As mentioned in the sibling comment

"it's a highly controversial topic as it indicates that something is inherently wrong with being transgender."

Whether ROGD exists or not, there isn't going to be useful discourse about it on public social media, where 99.9% of the time anyone talking about "endocrine disruptors" or "ROGD" or "social contagion" is only using it to invalidate the entire notion of being trans. Sometimes because their child is questioning their gender and they want to shut that down without just having a parent-child conversation about it.

Did environmental microplastics and soy milk and Wifi radiation and being friends with trans people make me into a woman?

We can raise that hypothesis in good faith, but I'm not going to quit transitioning even if it turns out to be true.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by jgalt212 »

tzone wrote: post #266
jonplackett wrote: post #47

As someone who has had to do IVF for our child and go through the challenge of figuring our what to do to try and improve sperm quality, I can tell you once you start looking into it, basically everything about modern life is bad for sperm. Heat, radiation, plastic, micro plastics, soya, tap water, Teflon, antibacterial soap, underpants, western diet. It’s a perfect storm. If you’re going though it though I offer a r…

Weight loss and proper exercise will probably deliver 99% of the improvements for 99% of the people. Stressing about heat, radiation, micro plastics, or other random stuff seems like extra stress for not that much benefit. Most people in Western world are either out of shape, or straight up obese. It makes sense that, that will have huge negative effects on fertility.

We need to start smoking again to control the obesity. And stop taking anti-depressants.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by Lammy »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #235
Lammy wrote: post #124

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> when environmental laws first went live in the 60s. I love our Earth and want to protect it as much as possible, and it's incredibly frustrating that restricting housing construction, globalizing pollution emission so it's out-of-sight-and-mind, and economically wrecking large swaths of middle America are the only things our environmental laws seem to be consistently good at :/

It’s easy to forget how much cleaner our air and water are now, though.

Clean enough for a lot of us to ignore that humanity's shared CO2 footprint is worse than ever because it happens Somewhere Else and doesn't (yet) impact us day to day: https://keelingcurve.ucsd.edu/

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by gruez »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #328
gruez wrote: post #324

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claiming it "leeches into food" is a stretch. Wikipedia says even after reaching 500F it sublimates to fluorocarbon gases. I wouldn't want to be near it, but it's not exactly leeching into the food either. It's also unclear whether the fluorocarbon gases have the same effects on the human body as PFOA.

If you want to gamble with your health while the jury is still, technically, out, I can't stop you... > At normal cooking temperatures, PTFE-coated cookware releases various gases and chemicals that present mild to severe toxicity. > Only few studies describe the toxicity of PTFE but without solid conclusions. > There are some reports where PFOA was detected in the gas phase released from the cooking utensils under n…

> At normal cooking temperatures, PTFE-coated cookware releases various gases and chemicals that present mild to severe toxicity.

I don't think it means what you think it means. Reading further into the paper, it says

>At normal use conditions [Which seems absolutely tiny. If spread out the emissions across the hour (because the 4.75 ng figure was cumulative emissions), the exposure to the cook would be in the parts per trillion range.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by willismichael »

jonplackett wrote: post #116
ilyaeck wrote: post #95

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What's so wrong with a biscuit?

Like I said, I was going for the nuclear option and biscuits have sugar in. Sugar makes you fat. Fat belly means less testosterone. This is part of the anti-western diet thing.

> less testosterone

That's it, no more donuts for me.

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Post by soheil »

vincentmarle wrote: post #2

> Store food in glass containers, not plastic. Above all, don’t microwave foods in plastic or with plastic wrap on top. Avoid pesticides. Buy organic produce if possible. Avoid tobacco or marijuana. Use a cotton or linen shower curtain, not one made of vinyl. Don’t use air fresheners. Prevent dust buildup. Vet consumer products you use with an online guide like that of the Environmental Working Group. I really want t…

What part of taking out the food you buy out of its plastic container before microwaving it is impossibly hard?

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by BunsanSpace »

giantg2 wrote: post #220
gspr wrote: post #202

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> radiation I don't doubt much of what you're saying, but is there any evidence to support that modern life exposes you to any more harmful radiation than life in the past did?

Yes, there have been numerous studies showing that the radio frequencies (radiation) used by cell phones and wifi are correlated (maybe causative, but not 100% sure) to reduced sperm count and quality. This is especially true when you have your phone in your pocket or your laptop on your lap. Stuff like wifi and cellphones were not a thing in the past. There just weren't many consumer RF products a generation or two…

Non ionizing radiation doesn't have an effect on our bodies unless it's very high energy e.g. you're right next to a high powered transmitter (radio tower).
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