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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by makomk »

jnwatson wrote: post #297
cabaalis wrote: post #236

I don't support how Trump has handled the election. Before, after, during. We would all be better off if he would stop this and uphold our tradition of peaceful transition of power. What I'm not seeing the media talk about is what difference does or does not exist between a group of people breaking into the capital (a political event at a political location) vs. cordoning off parts of a city, burning businesses, etc.…

The difference is massive. Destruction of property is an inconvenience. Literally interrupting the Congress' Constitutional duties is a whole new ball game. It is essentially the difference between vandalism and sedition.

Historically, part of the reason arson is considered such a serious crime is because it's basically attempted murder: you're doing something that's likely to result in someone dying and recklessly disregarding that fact, and at least one person was in fact killed by the fires started in cities throughout the US (possibly more). Not that this got much attention from the mainstream media... think I heard about it due to checking the local press there.

In just a few weeks, a president will take office who ran in part on his support for those rioters.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

JeffCyr wrote: post #284

This is a dangerous short term move. In the end it may create a division and popularize other social medias where this content and worse will still be available in an unmoderated space.

I don't think it's going to play out that way.

The problem with Facebook and Twitter is that everybody is on Facebook and Twitter. Some alternative comes up (let's call it Foo) that lets Trump speak freely. How many Facebook people are going to move to Foo to hear Trump? (Remember that the value of a social network is proportional to the square of the number of people there, and nobody's on Foo yet.) Sure, some will go, and Foo becomes a nest of die-hard Trump supporters. And over there, they get worse, more hardened in their position. They also don't get many new converts, because if you're not already a hard-core Trump supporter, why on earth would you go to Foo?

Is that better or worse than the current situation? I think it's better, because it shuts down the recruitment pipeline.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by estebarb »

wincy wrote: post #307
estebarb wrote: post #200

I find interesting that at least in spanish facebook does NOTHING to prevent fake news, calls to assassinate local leaders, fake elections fraud and other content to spread. Even those comments are always promoted as "the most relevant". FB is an amplifier of all this mess and is ruining democracies everywhere.

The people running Facebook don’t live in Spain, that’s 100% why.

Spanish is the second language with more native speakers in the world (and FB is banned in China). It is the main language in Latin America, Spain, Guinea Ecuatorial and other places.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by nemothekid »

makeworld wrote: post #299
andrepd wrote: post #175

I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…

I feel the same way. It's a bad world we live in where tech companies have to moderate the speech of everyone, but until we're out of that situation (thanks to decentralization), then reducing hate and speech that causes harm is the right move.

I don’t think this is a problem caused by centralization. As I think about the past 4 years I think the blame lies with Congress, whom have effectively gridlocked themselves into inaction for the last decade. The powers that they have have already been spilling into other branches (such as using the courts to audaciously overturn laws) so it makes sense that those powers are spilling into the private sector as well.

In other words, the less Congress does, the more easily corporations turn into an authoritarian arm of the government

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by ezekg »

silexia wrote: post #269
xxpor wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatsapp doesn't have enough penetration in the US for that to have ever mattered. I'd watch the EU for news on that front.

Most people on Hacker News are entrepreneurs that run their own private businesses. Social media platforms are not some sort of public utility. Social media platforms are private businesses owned by private individuals who can choose who they want to let in and who they want to kick out just like any restaurant or bar or concert hall. If you dislike who a social media platform allows or does not allow, just use a dif…

> Parler... A platform which is known to kick off liberal voices.

What? Parler doesn't seem to censor political content at all. A lack of liberal voice does not mean Parler "kicks them off."

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by b-etran »

finder83 wrote: post #324
andrepd wrote: post #175

I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…

Do you have examples of the direct calls to violence and insurrection? Supposedly there were three tweets that Twitter required trump to delete, but I don't see the actual text of them anywhere.

Here's the transcript of the deleted video statemenet: "I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us. From me, from you and from our country.

This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So, go home, we love you, you’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You’ve seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."

Deleted tweets: "Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by rat87 »

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

yeah

I'm sure this had nothing to do with the attempted coup

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by tetrometal »

viro wrote: post #232
taylus wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Fuck zuck, finally deleted my Facebook account because of this.

You deleted your Facebook account, because they banned someone for inciting treason and sedition?

This spin leaves me incredulous. How does Trump inviting a protest equate to "inciting treason and sedition"? Y'all are bonkers.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by failrate »

rohan1024 wrote: post #154
lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

Also, now this will overshadow the WhatsApp blunder. Great timing.

Lol, people still use WhatsApp?
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