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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by DarthGhandi »

localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

> the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States

Really? They seem quite fine with the states last I looked, you 100% sure that statement shouldn't be the other way around?

Does the CCP demand everyone on Earth follow their communist ideals? Does the CCP send drones to go bomb weddings and children in far away countries they really have nothing to do with?

Honestly they are a refreshing superpower and do far less horrendous shit to the rest of the world if you ask me. Sorry about your failing broken nation but someone needs to say it.

Even the EU is over your constant need for war with Iran/China/$NEXTBADGUY and not playing ball, perhaps get a bigger toupee for the president and stop building an entire economy on perpetual warfare next time?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by mschuster91 »

searchableguy wrote: post #339
donkeyd wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically, CCP could abuse location services to track movements of military personnel and civilians in a war. Since FB isn't Chinese, that is less of an issue for large scale surveilance. Also, if the Chinese had a zero day that they could exploit by pushing a malicious TikTok update, they could get root access to these phones and use them for surveillance on a large scale. Sure, this is all hypothetical, but it'…

Ban all Chinese apps?

There are few, if none Chinese apps that have that level of market domination TikTok has.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by benjamoon »

LadyCailin wrote: post #347
searchableguy wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban all Chinese apps?

Yeah. I don’t buy this argument until they ban all Chinese apps. As far as I can tell, it’s just a way to cut off younger voter’s access to information that is critical of Trump. And that’s a generous reading.

There’s an absolute ton of pro Trump material on TikTok made by young people.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by publicola1990 »

donkeyd wrote: post #296
CraigJPerry wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely Facebook’s a bigger issue than 60 second videos since any bad actor can target messaging at susceptibile users and no one will know. This just seems like yet another case of Republican double speak. Say one thing do a different thing that just coincidentally happens to grab power over others. Also, what is the method of using a 60 second video platform to share messaging with a crowd who will immediately scrol…

Theoretically, CCP could abuse location services to track movements of military personnel and civilians in a war. Since FB isn't Chinese, that is less of an issue for large scale surveilance. Also, if the Chinese had a zero day that they could exploit by pushing a malicious TikTok update, they could get root access to these phones and use them for surveillance on a large scale. Sure, this is all hypothetical, but it'…

Fed government could simply order all federal employees off tiktok or any other service without legal hurdles. What is the point of banning for the general public.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by DarthGhandi »

searchableguy wrote: post #339
donkeyd wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically, CCP could abuse location services to track movements of military personnel and civilians in a war. Since FB isn't Chinese, that is less of an issue for large scale surveilance. Also, if the Chinese had a zero day that they could exploit by pushing a malicious TikTok update, they could get root access to these phones and use them for surveillance on a large scale. Sure, this is all hypothetical, but it'…

Ban all Chinese apps?

I can buy location data on millions of people across the world right now from American companies who make free apps

What exactly is stopping the Chinese from buying that same data? Name one hindrance they will face, please.

The delusional jingoism on HN is painful to fight.

https://apnews.com/f6a83c0b8e0a65563e4c76955c37c0ab

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by alias_neo »

donkeyd wrote: post #296
CraigJPerry wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely Facebook’s a bigger issue than 60 second videos since any bad actor can target messaging at susceptibile users and no one will know. This just seems like yet another case of Republican double speak. Say one thing do a different thing that just coincidentally happens to grab power over others. Also, what is the method of using a 60 second video platform to share messaging with a crowd who will immediately scrol…

Theoretically, CCP could abuse location services to track movements of military personnel and civilians in a war. Since FB isn't Chinese, that is less of an issue for large scale surveilance. Also, if the Chinese had a zero day that they could exploit by pushing a malicious TikTok update, they could get root access to these phones and use them for surveillance on a large scale. Sure, this is all hypothetical, but it'…

Allegedly it collects a lot more than just location; https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by amake »

dfischer wrote: post #291
CraigJPerry wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely Facebook’s a bigger issue than 60 second videos since any bad actor can target messaging at susceptibile users and no one will know. This just seems like yet another case of Republican double speak. Say one thing do a different thing that just coincidentally happens to grab power over others. Also, what is the method of using a 60 second video platform to share messaging with a crowd who will immediately scrol…

TikTok is the generation that is most malleable to propaganda in a way that can undermine an entire generation. TikTok also has history of recording telemetry that’s extremely alarming. Look into what is mined. Look into how algorithms get optimized to influence behavior. See a recent paper on this with using social media to shut down a power plant. Memetic warfare is real and it’s been going on in cyberspace for a w…

> TikTok is the generation that is most malleable to propaganda in a way that can undermine an entire generation

Unlike the Boomers, who most definitely haven't been brainwashed by right-wing propaganda on Facebook and Fox News?

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Post by zo1 »

LadyCailin wrote: post #347
searchableguy wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban all Chinese apps?

Yeah. I don’t buy this argument until they ban all Chinese apps. As far as I can tell, it’s just a way to cut off younger voter’s access to information that is critical of Trump. And that’s a generous reading.

I do agree that this is about "controlling" younger / new of age voters.

However, I'm less worried about whatever correct/incorrect info they get about Trump or politics in general. And more worried about the disturbing cultural trends that this app and others like it are amplifying. Culture can have strong effects on people's political/voting behavior and that's what I think is being addressed (as opposed to the spying/privacy/CCP concerns which are secondary yet used as the main reason behind this ban).

I am pretty sure that Facebook/Youtube/Twitter will be targeted next in some way, but probably not with outright bans such as what they did with TikTok.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by dfischer »

amake wrote: post #357
dfischer wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok is the generation that is most malleable to propaganda in a way that can undermine an entire generation. TikTok also has history of recording telemetry that’s extremely alarming. Look into what is mined. Look into how algorithms get optimized to influence behavior. See a recent paper on this with using social media to shut down a power plant. Memetic warfare is real and it’s been going on in cyberspace for a w…

> TikTok is the generation that is most malleable to propaganda in a way that can undermine an entire generation Unlike the Boomers, who most definitely haven't been brainwashed by right-wing propaganda on Facebook and Fox News?

That’s already been known and within US soil. Now it’s the younger generation - it doesn’t make it mutually exclusive. If anything it shows the complete onslaught on all ends to undermine the stability of a nation in a way that’s never been possible before due to mass media and the internet. Broadcast is entirely unidirectional.

You’re absolutely correct that brainwashing happens on those mediums. It’s entirely interesting on one hand and entirely alarming on another. At this rate I’m not sure what the world at large can do given the technology out there to manipulate the populace. It leads to some very critical questions on how to exist.

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Post by luckylion »

pleasedontbanme wrote: post #218
dilap wrote: post #202

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That's fair. Imagine, for example, an extremely convincing book is authored that convinces anyone that reads it that the United States government should disolve itself and its citizens should pledge fealty to China. Quite credibly, the book could be described a national security threat to the US. However, I would still argue that the book should not be banned, and that any country that wants to honestly describe itse…

It's magical thinking to believe that there could be a book that convinces people of something despite being wrong.

People cannot be convinced of things by reading a book if that book is factually incorrect? That sounds like magical thinking.
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