It all started with the "July 2009 Ürümqi riots" and then escalated after the "2014 Kunming attack".
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#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well an atheist scientists perspective that "the big bang came out of nothing" makes as much sense as any religious text to be honest.
Very true. Big bang was actually first formulated by a Belgian Catholic priest: https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosm...
It's also likely wrong, see dr robitaille's work, sky scholar on YouTube.
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> Call your representatives. They will respond to thousands of phone calls from constituents saying "do X". What do you say to people who don't really believe this? I don't think I'm the only one who looks at the political scene (and much of "reality" as it is projected into our brains through the media) and thinks it's largely theatre. Kayfabe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf…
> What do you say to people who don't really believe this? Nothing really. They've lost faith in democracy and have given up on the country. What else is there to talk about? If you have no faith in the system and don't want to participate then I'm not sure what you want or you're expecting.
I would add that if voting/protesting isn't enough to feel like it's "doing something" there is always the option of fixing things from within. I know that's a bit of a fairy tale idea for many, and few seem to have the convictions to actually do so once they are in a position to, but that doesn't mean that YOU, dear reader, would fail the same way.
Seriously, run for city council or something. Fix the bugs the same way you would an interconnected system: find where things (money, proposals, solutions) drop out, find where things are miscommunicated, optimize, upgrade, and secure the edge systems that directly interact with the client (the people).
It might take a lot of effort and people doing this, and many many years, but I think it is a more viable long term solution than waiting for things to magically get better enough that you feel like a vote will suffice.
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#355Boycotting "Made in China" labelled products is not effective enough. How would you motivate large population groups to engage globally? Politicians and democratic countries should force China to stop torturing their own citizens based on religious or ethnic affiliation.
It costs money and political capital to stop a country from doing anything, and politicians won't do anything that doesn't benefit them. As an example, nobody cared about the Kurdish genocide in Iraq until the US wanted to invade them. Ironically, while the genocide was happening, the US was allies with Iraq.
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#356Yes, this is bad. I think we can all agree on that. But does anyone have sources on _how_ China got into this situation? They wouldn't be detaining Uighurs at this scale for no reason. So what's the history behind this? I left a separate comment here of someone else who commented on the article with a potential background reason (terrorism?). Although I'm not sure if can rely on just that one comment, and would love…
Look up Terrorists attacks in China. There were hundreds of attacks in Xinjiang. Before anyone claims more high ground it was to be compared to War on Terror by other super powers.
Only China has been able use re-education instead bombs
I dont think there is accurate infomation right now give propaganda already debunked (see Grazyzone) and motivations of current administration.
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Although anything is possible, this is no evidence, and I hardly believe it. People lives are worthing much more than their organs when they are used for labor so I don't see any reasonable benefit from doing that. Plus, Falun Gong has a long history of fighting this, still without any evidences brought to the table, so I have some doubts about their assumptions. The issue in Xinjiang is already serious enough, no ne…
> People lives are worthing much more than their organs when they are used for labor I absolutely disagree with this claim. Forced labor is inherently inefficient and barely cost-effective, especially in the modern age of mechanisation and the lessons of soviet GULAGs proved just as much. Especially so in China, which in no way suffers from a shortage of labor force.
It's true that China doesn't suffer from a shortage of labor force. However, wages raised a lot, and almost-free labor is more interesting financially.
After second thoughts, I think it may be possible that on a regional scale, local officials would find such practice highly profitable.
The party goal is not to be highly profitable (they are already), it's to stay in power as long as they can. Of course money can help in that goal, but such practices, if they leak and are confirmed, would just erode the stability of the state. I feel the cons are too high and pros too low, politically, to do such atrocities on a country scale.
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Sure, so let them just continue to commit atrocities.
Why won't 350 million American citizens do something about their own government first, before engaging in moral grandstanding in respect to other countries? No, this doesn't mean just getting rid of Trump - the entire political spectrum is complicit in millions of deaths every decade. US calls itself a "Democracy", so you're supposed to be more empowered to make a change than an average Chinese citizen.
You're asking a very tricky "what if" question and implying a better result without evidence.
There are only 3 countries with the potential to become superpowers in the modern age -- USA, Russia, and China. Hegemony by one of the three is inevitable.
It is up to YOU to provide proof that Russia or China would be better choices.
President Roosevelt said "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." The US foreign policy has gone very far with that idea. A large military then economic pressure is what led to the collapse of the USSR. The same tactic has kept North Korea, Iran, and other despotic countries at bay for decades.
Today, Trump and Biden both have endorsed a similar approach to China. Build up the military presence around China and pile on economic pressure until they collapse (trying to walk the fine line to avoid war).
Unlike the US, China and Russia/USSR have killed tens to hundreds of millions of their own people. Do you really think there would be fewer deaths if China or Russia were the dominant power? If they're willing to kill their own so casually, they're going to be even more barbaric with foreigners.
I'd ask again, do you have any proof that the alternatives are better?
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Cancel culture means boycotting public figures or companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. You are talking only about tweets but those have little to do with it. Boycotting China is definitely possible, simply stop buying their goods. Vote with your wallet! If enough people do this then it will definitely have an impact, possibly even enough to bring about some real chan…
I thought cancel culture referred to the practice of reporting someone's postings and getting them taken down or even banned by the platform. It also includes doxxing people and trying to get them fired from their jobs because of their online postings.
Not sure why you are being downvoted.
Cancel culture can hit non-famous/significant people as you describe. To me it's all about shutting down debate, and reducing free-speech.