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The Return of the 90s Web

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Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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People are still creating great stuff along these lines - you just won't find it through Google or Facebook or most of Reddit. Complex, interesting hypertext creations and web sites are still everywhere. But try typing "interesting hypertext" into Google or Facebook and see where it gets you. You can't search for something that's off the beaten track. This is where directories come back in. Check some of these out: *…

The alternative to Google for discovery is Reddit. Reddit is the modern web directory: - Directories are Communities defined by their link rules - Human-curated - Easy to start a new one - SSO across all communities - Built-in forum technology - Unified comment technology for every website You can get communities like reddit.com/r/Sizz for instance or larger ones like /r/esp8266 or massive ones like /r/sanfrancisco o…

Reddit is horrible, and I say this as someone with combined ~27k comment karma on two accounts, and years of use. The mods are too happy to delete posts they don't personally approve of (whether they break sub or Reddit rules or not), and I recently got suspended on what appears to me to be a false charge according to the rule itself (a debate on whether some fanfiction should be illegal or not (it shouldn't be) got me suspended - a topic, it is worth noting, is covered by several serious academics). Bitter rant incoming.

The annoying part is that not only does a sub mod get the privilege of deleting posts at will, but there is no appeals process for that, and Reddit doesn't listen to suspension appeals at all.

Aside from that, the downvote/upvote culture is bad (even if I am usually in its favour) and encourages dogpiling and groupthink. Ironically, Reddit with its "don't downvote for disagreement" element of Reddiquette is worse at this than HN with its "downvoting for disagreement is fine" policy.

The site redesign, infinite scroll, a handful of mods controlling many major subs, nonsensical or inconsistent administration and rules, unjust dishing out of punishment, advertisements in the main feed, widespread outrage bait, and endless drama means Reddit is no different to platforms like Twitter where short, witty and possibly fallacious content thrives.

I can count on a hand the number of times I've actually valued information I've obtained from Reddit comments or submissions. That does not justify the amount of time and energy I've poured into the website, which I could have better spent simply not using social media (which Reddit now is). These days, if I had to use social media, I'd pick the Fediverse over Reddit every day of the week. It takes a lot of time to realize that highly upvoted comments (and every comment) is really just "someone's opinion, man" which the current zeitgeist dictates people will agree with.

On Reddit, politics is entertainment (r/PublicFreakout etc.), mocking and hate is central (r/SubredditDrama, r/unpopularopinion), administration is done in the interest of advertisers and personal opinions (phrases such as "weird hill to die on"), and moderation attracts people who would rather bask in the power afforded to them more than people who would rather carefully curate and foster discussion. The one sub which works to its purpose is r/ChangeMyView.

Spending time arguing with random people on the Internet is mentally taxing, very unlikely to achieve a change in opinion of the persons involved or the observers, and terrible for stimulating and interesting discussion. Next time I want to argue a point, I'll get a blog with a comment section, or these days, without one. If my friend told me they were going to register a Reddit account, I'd tell them everything I've just said in this post.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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The less stuff on the server the better imo. Whenever I can get away with it I use a static site generator or I use vuejs with a json file containing all the data for the site. Being able to just drop a static set of files in to a webserver without any risk of security issues in my code is great. I also hate the tools for backend rendering since if you need any kind of interactivity it becomes so much easier if you h…

> Being able to just drop a static set of files in to a webserver without any risk of security issues in my code is great. What security risks are removed by using a client side app instead of a server side one?

None, you're just shifting the risk to the user.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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Part of me wonders whether this is technically possible. I’m sure it’s an answerable question.

If you have an indicator of content on a specific date and can confirm no signoficant change ... Though document fingerprinting is hard. Especially w/ fungible page elements. Internet Archive has an angle here.

> Internet Archive has an angle here.

Are you referring to WARC type tooling or what? I don’t want to put words in your mouth. I’m a complete learner on this topic. I think gwern has written a bit about this broadly? I’m curious to know more about this, if you have time to share more.

https://www.gwern.net/Search

https://www.gwern.net/Archiving-URLs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_ARChive

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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post #343

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The less stuff on the server the better imo. Whenever I can get away with it I use a static site generator or I use vuejs with a json file containing all the data for the site. Being able to just drop a static set of files in to a webserver without any risk of security issues in my code is great. I also hate the tools for backend rendering since if you need any kind of interactivity it becomes so much easier if you h…

> Being able to just drop a static set of files in to a webserver without any risk of security issues in my code is great. What security risks are removed by using a client side app instead of a server side one?

No database, no code running on your system other than nginx which I trust a whole lot more than myself.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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> It's also harder to self host and manage Eh, I disagree. The only difference is that it uses Node instead of PHP. You still hook it up to MySQL/MariaDB/SQLite and you're good to go. Plus I consider its Members feature ( https://ghost.org/members/ ) to be a game-changer, though it's powered by Stripe, so you'll have to be in one of 39 countries supported by it to make it work without extensively hacking your theme.

That's a big difference. I can't use a cheap shared hosting and managing a VPS (os updates, database backups etc) is too much for a small blog. Node.js is fine but it turns out after all these years, php is still the king in crud,blog,cms type of application, which is the 99% of the websites out there. As for the members feature, wordpress has tons of "membership" plugins. Still though, Ghost landing page for members…

Hey! John from Ghost here :) here's a direct comparison of setting up self-hosted WP vs Ghost, just as a point of reference: https://youtu.be/rMKNgV1gTHg

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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The alternative to Google for discovery is Reddit. Reddit is the modern web directory: - Directories are Communities defined by their link rules - Human-curated - Easy to start a new one - SSO across all communities - Built-in forum technology - Unified comment technology for every website You can get communities like reddit.com/r/Sizz for instance or larger ones like /r/esp8266 or massive ones like /r/sanfrancisco o…

Reddit is horrible , and I say this as someone with combined ~27k comment karma on two accounts, and years of use. The mods are too happy to delete posts they don't personally approve of (whether they break sub or Reddit rules or not), and I recently got suspended on what appears to me to be a false charge according to the rule itself (a debate on whether some fanfiction should be illegal or not (it shouldn't be) got…

> The mods are too happy to delete posts

While that does happen, my problem is more often that mods of smaller subreddits are inactive or unwilling to moderate them so they end up being filled with low effort memes instead of actually interesting content.

Re: The Return of the 90s Web

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My iPad is 10 years old and there are websites that bring it to its knees, especially mobile.twitter.com links. I don't click them anymore, it's too frustrating. Maybe web devs should be given low-end machines to work on so they can experience what their non-desktop users experience. The whole 'mobile web' distinction really shouldn't need to exist, my iPad isn't a mobile phone from 2005.

how is the battery still alive?
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