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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by dleslie »

scep12 wrote: post #327
ddevault wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have much less mobility as a US citizen to move to another country than I have as a software engineer. Almost any Google employee could have an offer somewhere else within 3 weeks of starting their search.

You couldn't move to Canada easily?

Canadian here:

It's not as easy as you might expect, through normal channels. There's a points system to gain access and a whole lot of hoops to jump through if you aren't able to pay for the economic class.

Now, if you were to walk across the border at certain locations and claim refugee status you could probably remain so long as your application is being processed; regardless of the merits of your claim, that process time has become _rather long_.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ashtonkem wrote: post #348
koheripbal wrote: post #112

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

I’m always really worried about the unintended consequences of having the government regulate what Google can and cannot moderate on their platform. That strikes me as a larger free speech issue than our current system. I’d recommend just breaking Google’s monopoly; which is an idea that has more benefits and less downside risk.

> I’d recommend just breaking Google’s monopoly

Would an independent YouTube be less susceptible to these requests?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by atomashpolskiy »

Stratoscope wrote: post #322
atomashpolskiy wrote: post #147

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I've posted an AskHN about self-regulation mechanisms on HN just today and instantly got flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23220998 Please upvote another attempt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23223939

> Please upvote another attempt FYI, you may get downvoted or flagged for asking for upvotes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Don't solicit upvotes, comments, or submissions. Users should vote and comment when they run across something they find interesting—not for promotion." (I didn't downvote or flag your comment, just wanted to let you know about the guideline.)

Thanks for the reminder! I read that at some point.

The problem with this is exactly what I'm trying to address in the AskHN submission: the probability of a random person running across interesting content is much smaller, than that of a group of users with agenda, who monitor new submissions/comments on a constant basis, as they appear.

I.e. there's a non-zero probability that my controversial submission looks interesting to several random people, and maybe they even give me an upvote, but at the same time there's a 100% probability of being flagged and never making it out of "new". In my opinion, this misbalance completely breaks the moderation system.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by dleslie »

pacala wrote: post #295
skybrian wrote: post #191

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I don't work there anymore, but this is a confused argument born of zealotry. Taking Google's money to work on open source is totally fine. More money spent on good things might even mean less spent on bad things. For example, nothing good would come from the Go team quitting over unrelated political stuff.

FWIW, open source is not an absolute good. It is undercutting the ability of your peers to make a living. It is making software a commodity, such that capital rich hardware owners can make a killing. See AWS. Commoditize your complement. https://www.gwern.net/Complement

This is what the AGLP3 is for.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by andrewprock »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #268
anoraca wrote: post #237

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower_Protection_Act

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For wikipedia, the guidelines are here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_livin...

I'm not sure that Google has a published set of guidelines. Obviously Hacker News has a different set of guidelines.

Individual corporations are allowed to make their own guidelines. This is what Libertarians call "freedom of association".

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by ravenstine »

Lio wrote: post #321
ravenstine wrote: post #67

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It might be easy to say this, but I believe I would quit if I was asked to implement something like that. But perhaps I'd be different if I were paid $300k a year. (I sure hope not, though)

I like to think I’d take the high road but the Milgram shock experiment[1] shows that most people, including me, probably wouldn’t. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Then we need to come up with ways to counteract the Milgram effect, if that's even possible.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by tarsinge »

missosoup wrote: post #41

There was a previous unrelated discussion about this just a few hours ago which was climbing to the top of the front page when I saw it. And then just vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221264 It's not flagged, it just went from #13 on the front page to invisible. In a single refresh. How does that work? Looking at the votes and age, it should be in the top 5 of both Ask and the front page. What's the m…

Not the first time I see something like this, would have I not been using hckrnews.com I would have missed it.

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Post by dekhn »

Diederich wrote: post #291
catalogia wrote: post #193

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Don't say that he's hypocritical Rather say that he's apolitical "Once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down?" "That's not my department!" says Werner von Braun

For those who aren't aware and/or won't look this reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro As the other comenter noted, Tom Lehrer is indeed a national treasure, and his satire is top shelf. From the light-hearted "The Elements": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcS3NOQnsQM (watch for the surprise at the end) To the gallows comedy of "We Will All Go Together When We Go": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f…

Tom Lehrer was my math professor in College. He was delightfully amusing and I learned a lot (in particular, the birthday paradox, years before I understand why they matter in hash tables and other probability problems).

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Post by Ericson2314 »

threwr234434 wrote: post #271
koheripbal wrote: post #112

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

The very first multi-national companies were neck deep in looting India and smuggling opium to China. The American founding fathers were very aware of this.

We were fanboys enough to use the East India Company flag, too.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by f1refly »

joshuamorton wrote: post #293
manigandham wrote: post #253

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Where does it say that hate speech is about immutable characteristics? Is that your subjective personal definition? Advertisers really don't care that much (and I'm speaking as a 12 year adtech veteran). They play into popular culture and are being carried along with the increasingly sensitive social environment online. Also we're talking about comments, not video content, and it's futile to try and control how other…

Here's the first result from Googling "hate speech": > public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation I might broaden the final bit to "immutable characteristics" instead of the specific list they provide. For the same reason, I probably wouldn't consider the comment under discussion hate speech, but I'm really c…

So google gets to decide what's hatespeech? One step closer to the cyberpunk dystopia I'd say.
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