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It’s obviously nuts to take medical advice from Donald Trump. However, some people will do it, which makes it irresponsible to give such advice, even obliquely.

He didn't give medical advice. He was talking about what the FDA and what hospitals could do. There wasn't oblique advice in the slightest.

> He was talking about what the FDA and what hospitals could do

And even that information was wrong. That's the point I'm trying to make.

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It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so."

Luckily a lay person cannot get medical grade chloroquine. They can purchase a chemical to use in aquariums, but that is not medication. Those chemicals are not regulated, and may contain all sorts of other compounds that could kill humans, or have an incorrect amount of chloroquine. Sorry, no matter what the president says, self-medicating is nuts.

> self-medicating is nuts.

Agreed.

> no matter what the president says,

That doesn't mean giving prominent authority figures a pass on outright falsehoods. He said the FDA approved chloroquine to be prescribed for Covid-19. The FDA said they had not done that.

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The recommended dosage of chloroquine for treatment of an active malaria infection is 1000 milligrams per day on the first day, followed by an additional 500 mg 6 to 8 hours later followed by 500 mg per day for three days afterwards. There are slight variations of this regimen recommended by different clinical sites. The point here being that if this man and his wife both became critically ill less than an hour after…

They said it was a teaspoon of Chloroquine Phosphate. I can't find what the density of Chloroquine Phosphate is anywhere, but if it were only as dense as water, that would be 5 grams, which is 5x the first day dose for treating Malaria.

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It seems completely reasonable to you for the president to tweet out unqualified medical advice during a pandemic?

It's not medical advice. It's "hey, these drugs look promising, so the FDA is fast tracking things". How could anyone construe that as medical advice? If the president said "hey, the FDA just approved a great new cancer drug", is that medical advice for cancer patients? Of course not.

There was a similar discussion on HN about 1 week ago, where a commenter described making a "lightning strike" trip to Mexico to buy Chloroquine from a less regulated source, so they can dose themself if they get sick.

In a country where people literally can't afford to see a doctor, and the masses are panicked by a disease, when the leader tweets out a couple of drugs that look promising .... yes, I think it's reasonable to assume that some people will take it as medical advice.

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President shouldn't talk about things he clearly doesn't understand. Compare this to how Obama used to measure every single word he said.

All presidents talk about stuff they don't understand.

Perhaps so, but some things are more important to delegate to experts than others. There's little harm in misstating the speed of light; another to suggest that a potentially hazardous drug that can be found OTC can be used to cure a virus when it cannot - and especially without dosage information.

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I did not know this many people in HN were functionally illiterate. The article does NOT say they drank aquarium cleaner. Learn to read, people! A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks. That’s like saying “My neighbor had a banana, a common ingredient in certain brands of monkey f…

Yeah, according to the NBC News coverage they definitely didn't consume a gallon of aquarium cleaner. It was a teaspoon each, mixed with soda. You know, as you do...

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Fortunately unlike Tylneol, Hydroxychloroquine requires a prescription in the US. In an effort to limit shortages multiple states are already making the criteria for prescription even more limited (anyone who prescribed it for COVID-19 was already making an off-label prescription): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-ph... Also of note, the couple took `chloroquine phosphate` not `hydroxychloroq…

> HCQ is used for people sensitive to Chloroquine-phospate: > Specifically it is used for chloroquine-sensitive malaria HCQ is used for Malaria that is chloroquine sensitive, not people. Well that’s how I read it. Looks like it was patented in 2005, which might also help explain why it became more common? But I”m totally guessing that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Aminoquinoline

> Malaria that is chloroquine sensitive, not people

Yep there's some chloroquine phosphate resistant malaria (Plasmodium) that hydroxychloroquine still works for. It also works for the other non-resistant ones making it a good first option, more here:

https://www.drugs.com/monograph/hydroxychloroquine-sulfate.h...

There's no current patent on either drugs. But as I said, data was showing HCQ was 3x more effective, which was why the new studies are focusing on that...

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Luckily a lay person cannot get medical grade chloroquine. They can purchase a chemical to use in aquariums, but that is not medication. Those chemicals are not regulated, and may contain all sorts of other compounds that could kill humans, or have an incorrect amount of chloroquine. Sorry, no matter what the president says, self-medicating is nuts.

> self-medicating is nuts. Agreed. > no matter what the president says, That doesn't mean giving prominent authority figures a pass on outright falsehoods. He said the FDA approved chloroquine to be prescribed for Covid-19. The FDA said they had not done that.

> That doesn't mean giving prominent authority figures a pass on outright falsehoods. He said the FDA approved chloroquine to be prescribed for Covid-19. The FDA said they had not done that.

It doesn't matter, because chloroquine is already FDA approved to treat COVID 19. Let me explain: chloroquine is an FDA approved drug for malaria, which means doctors can prescribe it for whatever they want. It has been approved as a legal prescription drug and doctors can prescribe anything for any reason whatsoever.

That does not mean it's now okay to take it without a prescription.

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People hoarding chloroquine medicines has left many cronic patients (lupus and autoinmune diseases) without their dose, and now they will have to wait up to one month to fix the stock break. another way people is being selfish on this times.

People are not being selfish, people are in panic and irrational. Social media has made the pandemic many times worse than it already is by the spread of misinformation, conflicting information and plain dumb advice.
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