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Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by foldr »

justadudeama wrote: post #345
deadbunny wrote: post #207

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> They've tried banning everything in England and criminals will still kill people with just about anything. First it's the guns, then knives, then machetes. You can run over people, are you gonna make cars illegal too? We just had a Terrorist attack last week. He was armed with 2 knives and he killed 2 people before being taken down by some people with a fire extinguisher and a narwhal horn (I shit you not). I'll ta…

What would you call the police officer that came with a gun? By giving up private firearm ownership you are putting the safety of yourself and your loved ones in the hands of the government. This article is an example of why it is dangerous to do that.

>What would you call the police officer that came with a gun?

Superfluous, in this instance. It clearly would have been possible to arrest the guy without shooting him. (I believe that they only shot him on the off chance that the suicide vest was real.)

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Post by chrisseaton »

raincom wrote: post #307
chrisseaton wrote: post #180

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How do you block specific websites without monitoring which website is being visited? That doesn’t make any sense.

Banks are strict on their work laptops. - Everything is tunneled through VPN - 2 FA - geofencing at VPN level (you can't take work laptop to Russia, India, China, etc) - everything is whitelisted. Some employees can only access x.theirBank.com, everything is else blocked. This is the case with tellers, folks in the retail banking - even for IT/dev, one should get explicit permission to get access to youtube, github -…

...but that sounds like monitoring?

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Post by palisade »

rahuldottech wrote: post #20

THIS IS NOT OKAY. We can't have children being used to constant surveillance and accepting this as a part of life. It sets them up for so many problems in the future, where they won't understand the serious implications of constant tracking and surveillance. And sure, nothing too bad comes out of this stuff right now in most of the world, but have you seen China? The minute a government decides to do so, all that dat…

If you think that's bad. Check this out: https://www.wired.com/2010/10/webcam-spy-settlement/

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Post by philwelch »

foldr wrote: post #322
CDSlice wrote: post #302

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Which other countries were much better? Obviously the fact that women and African Americans got the vote so late is not good, but America could still be one of the freest countries in the last 150 years if most everyone else was even worse.

I think there are lots of Western countries that have never had laws barring people from voting due to their race. E.g., there has never been any such law in the UK. Women in the UK also got the vote slightly earlier.

The UK is an abnormally successful democracy by world standards. I suppose you could quibble about the British Empire, but the main difference there is that Britain colonized much more of the world than America did.

The main question I have concerns Britain’s history of anti-Catholic discrimination. It’s all well and good to point out that Britain never disenfranchised black people during a time when approximately zero black people lived there. Although I suppose Britain is responsible for colonizing South Africa and Rhodesia....

But sure, let’s concede Britain for the moment. France, West Germany, and Italy were effectively fascist dictatorships until the mid-1940’s. (Vichy being a “puppet government” is a lie concocted to spare French pride—Petain was a fascist sympathizer since before the war and he took power within the French political system at the time—its not like the Germans overran the government and installed him like they did in other occupied countries.) Spain and Portugal until the 1970’s. Yugoslavia had a communist dictatorship until the 1990’s. Which is incidentally the same decade that Switzerland achieved universal women’s suffrage.

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Post by flycaliguy »

rahuldottech wrote: post #20

THIS IS NOT OKAY. We can't have children being used to constant surveillance and accepting this as a part of life. It sets them up for so many problems in the future, where they won't understand the serious implications of constant tracking and surveillance. And sure, nothing too bad comes out of this stuff right now in most of the world, but have you seen China? The minute a government decides to do so, all that dat…

What if exposing them to surveillance is actually educational? What if it helps them form models in their head that make noticing it’s overstep easier?

Maybe this elaborate demonstration of surveillance is being used as a teaching moment by a woke English teacher?

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Post by gcbw3 »

This has been happening since the 80s. We all seen metal detectors and such in low income schools. But we all just laughed it from movies while we continued to work on our cozy advertising and data collection jobs. Maybe even buying the Coolio soundtrack.

Now that it reached your own kids, only now, it is outrageous.

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Post by UnFleshedOne »

ryanmercer wrote: post #287
selimthegrim wrote: post #244

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Do you want them to be lined up single file with boys and girls in one line each between classrooms too? That’s what they basically do in college in Pakistan at this point. When do you expect them to make the transition to the other side of the panopticon as responsible adults?

Gender has nothing to do with limiting what children can carry, or conceal, coming and going from the school building. In Pakistan the gender segregation is almost certainly a religious thing given Islam is the religion of 96% of the country. Segregation by gender is also found in masjids/mosques, this is a normal part of Islamic culture. Comparing a religious custom in a predominately Islamic country to clear backpa…

Just give it another few hundred years and clear backpacks and other stuff will be part of american culture/religion.

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Post by umvi »

foldr wrote: post #347
umvi wrote: post #336

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You have to prioritize your problems and solve the ones that give you the most bang for your buck. I'm sure there are magnitudes more shark attacks in USA than in EU, but that doesn't instantly mean we should prioritize reducing shark attacks - the cost-to-value ratio of solving that problem is terrible. America has a lot of problems. I would say school shootings are not terribly high on the list. Same with mass shoo…

You work on whatever problem you like. I simply pointed out that the US has a singular problem with school shootings. You appear to agree with that assessment. You have no idea what would happen if Hong Kong had "2A rights".

> You have no idea what would happen if Hong Kong had "2A rights".

Right, because they don't. Just like every other country that slips into tyranny. The absence of 2A rights in countries ruled by tyrannical regimes is deafening.

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Post by nabnob »

CDSlice wrote: post #300
nabnob wrote: post #276

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I don't think it's mental illness alone, since these shootings are almost entirely perpretrated by men. Plenty of women are mentally ill, isolated or lonely, feel powerless, and yet they're not committing mass shootings. Almost all of the mass shootings were committed by men with a history of domestic abuse and violence. I think the real root cause is entitlement and not seeing other people as humans.

> Almost all of the mass shootings were committed by men with a history of domestic abuse and violence. I think the real root cause is entitlement and not seeing other people as humans. And what makes women immune to being entitled and not seeing other people as human? Personally I would explain the fact that most of these shootings are committed by men by the fact that men are generally speaking more likely to react…

I'd say that lashing out violently is a pretty good sign that a person doesn't have empathy for other people. And what's more entitled than thinking you have the right to end other people's lives?

>Personally I would explain the fact that most of these shootings are committed by men by the fact that men are generally speaking more likely to react in a physically violent way to stress than women are.

Men are not rabid dogs incapable of making their own decisions. If someone lashes out violently and murders a bunch of people, they're responsible for the choice to play god with other people's lives.

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