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Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by helpPeople »

kensai wrote: post #348
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

I kind of feel that Apple needs its own pragmatic Satya Nadella to regain relevance in many niche applications. Sure, Apple is nowadays a consumer company mainly, but what is the problem having a competitive professional line as well?

Profit? And that the audience is limited.

If I have a resource heavy problem, I can solve it for a fraction of the price outside the Apple Ecosystem.

Who buys these? When you look to the source you will understand.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by curt15 »

swebs wrote: post #344
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

"Find me a comparable computer that:

- Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc)

- Has a corporate warranty"

Support for mac-only software notwithstanding, Dell's workstations officially support RHEL, have Nvidia GPUs for CUDA workloads, and come with up to five years warranty with on-site service. You can probably find comparable HP Z-series workstations too.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by jotm »

swebs wrote: post #344
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

HP offers Linux on their Z workstations, which have been reliable workhorses for decades. I believe Dell does, too.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by dahauns »

swebs wrote: post #344
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

>-Has a corporate warranty

Has Apple finally started to offer one comparable to the Big Three? (SLAs, Onsite service with guaranteed reaction times and HW replacements and so on) Serious question - this was actually a big argument against Pro Apple workstations in the past.

>-Ships with anything other than Windows

Well, you won't get macOS of course, but all big workstation manufacturers sell workstations with Linux preinstalled. It's really nothing unusual and hasn't been for quite some time.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by lm28469 »

ksec wrote: post #345

330 Comments, No one asked why was this submitted. We have discussions on HN [1] when it was announced. The Tech Spec page has been there since day 1, I looked hard and dont see any significant changes, if any changes at all. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20087315

That was 3 months ago, no one asked because no one remember it was posted.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by dahauns »

danpalmer wrote: post #318
mark_l_watson wrote: post #151

A great machine to be sure for high end content creation but Apple is not chasing the deep learning dev market because of the lack of CUDA. That market is better served by Linux boxes with appropriate GPUs for TensorFlow, PyTorch, etc. support.

With the new MPX module spec, Nvidia should be able to release cards for this.

The hardware isn't the problem, it's the drivers.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by doitLP »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Unfortunately they will probably point to the poor sales of this model as justification that this pro tower market really is dead. “Sorry guys, for some reason only Marvel editors bought these so were canning the line”

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by overcast »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #151

A great machine to be sure for high end content creation but Apple is not chasing the deep learning dev market because of the lack of CUDA. That market is better served by Linux boxes with appropriate GPUs for TensorFlow, PyTorch, etc. support.

I'm struggling to think what super high end content studio hasn't moved on by this point? All these tools are available on Windows, and no one still in business was waiting 12 years for a worthy upgrade.
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