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Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by meed »

brianpgordon wrote: post #57

> While I understand that they have to make money somehow I don't. I don't understand how Mozilla has over a thousand employees and over 500 million dollars in annual revenue. With that kind of money, Firefox should be absolutely dominating the browser space. They shouldn't be making Firefox worse with advertising in order to subsidize their flailing around trying to find traction in mobile or VR. It actually reminds…

> I don't understand how Mozilla has over a thousand employees

The figure is pretty much correct. To put things in perspective, though, only a fraction of those thousand people work on the actual browser. And, of that fraction, an even tinier number work on the rendering engine.

The Chrome team, on the other hand, has pretty much the same number of people of the entire Mozilla (or MoCo, to be specific) but almost all of them work on the browser/rendering.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by amelius »

NullInvictus wrote: post #32

I haven't really met anyone who is particularly bothered by these issues. They certainly should be addressed to some degree, but the issues I find people are bothered about in Firefox are something that Mozilla has very little control over: Bugs in sites. As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. It's pretty easy to…

The solution is simple. If you are a developer, then use Firefox as your browser. And make sure that other people in your organization test for Chrome ;)

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by thayne »

philliphaydon wrote: post #33
thayne wrote: post #12

My biggest complaint with firefox is that the devtools experience still lags behind chrome.

Have you actually tried the dev tools in the last year? I can only use chrome for web socket support and that’s coming to ff dev tools sooooon.

Yes, i primarily use ff dev tools. And it has greatly improved in the last couple of years. But there are still some shortcomings. For example websocket frame debugging is just barely on nightly. Load time for a web app with thousands of unminified sources with devtools open is terrible. Plus a bunch of small annoyances. It's not so bad i won't use it. But it does make me wish firefox had the same resources for devtools that google does.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by notyourword »

pjmlp wrote: post #336
notyourword wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using the word schizophrenic like that contributes to the stigma associated with psychotic mental illness. It is ableist to use a disability you don't have as a metaphor.

So the censorship of how we are allowed to speak has arrived to HN?

You can call disabilty politics censorship if that is what makes you feel good.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by oblio »

userbinator wrote: post #341
paulryanrogers wrote: post #235

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If form controls like select lists and checkboxes were style-able and compose-able I think it would reduce the need for JS in many cases. Multi select in particular feels like it's stuck in the 90's. Also select's lack of consistent search capabilities is painful.

Sorry, I'm not convinced that UI elements need to be "style-able" by the site. Every site ends up being slightly different from others as a result, because it feels the need to reinvent its own custom UI controls with their own behaviour inconsistent from the OS or even the browser's UI. (I have the same gripe about "native" Electron apps.)

Yeah, good luck with that. Every company wants to stand out. There's no money to be made from conformity.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by kiaulen »

GordonS wrote: post #266
feanaro wrote: post #105

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> As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. Also a full-time Firefox user. This is fascinating because I quite literally cannot remember a website for which I had to switch browser so it would start working. What kind of websites are these? Have you noticed any pattern about them? Perhaps it's a certain type of site…

Was going to say much the same thing. I've been a full-time Firefox user for 10+ years. I've also worked on web apps and tested against Firefox, Chrome, IE (and later Edge), for 10+ years. In all that time, I don't think I've ever seen a Firefox-specific bug or layout issue. I saw them on IE all the time ( obviously ), sometimes in Edge, rarely in Chrome, and never in Firefox.

Also a full time Firefox user.

Another bug that I believe is actually Firefox doing the right thing: if you make an event handler function but give it no parameters, Firefox will have no local named event. Chrome will create an event variable for you. Caused several "Firefox bugs" in our app.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by pjmlp »

notyourword wrote: post #355
pjmlp wrote: post #336

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So the censorship of how we are allowed to speak has arrived to HN?

You can call disabilty politics censorship if that is what makes you feel good.

What makes me feel good is freedom of speech and fight against the return of the kind of government my ancestors were forced to live on.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by GeekyBear »

torben-friis wrote: post #343
GeekyBear wrote: post #301

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The solution is to rebuild Firefox to use Core Animation to draw the window contents and then send only changes to that content to the graphics compositor after that instead of using the long deprecated OpenGL implementation it currently uses that repaints the whole screen over and over, so it's hardly surprising to see such a massive change take quite a while to implement. The earliest changes in this process have f…

Glad to hear that there's finally progress being made!(or if it has been on the way all this time, glad to see that it's finally getting to the point where final users can see a difference). Are you involved in the fix? If so, do you have a rough ETA for the remaining changes?

I've just been reading the bugzilla discussions on the issue since back when people were first trying to figure out what was causing the issue.

pcwalton is involved in the fix, and as he mentioned, really significant improvements are starting to land for testing in nightly with more fixes yet to come

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by Medicalidiot »

pcwalton wrote: post #311
Medicalidiot wrote: post #223

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Firefox is a dumpster fire on Mac. No pinch to zoom? Whatever. Scrolling issues? Whatever. Lighting up my CPU to the point it's noticeably warm on idle? Not cool. Having 60% of the battery life as Chrome and 50% of Safari? Unacceptable. Simply idling Firefox on my Mac would use almost the same amount of battery as actively browsing Safari. I love Firefox on my home Linux desktop, but that's as far as my love goes at…

Fixes are starting to land for the power consumption issues. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

I saw that earlier, I'm hoping this resolves my issues, but we'll see.
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