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What's scary is that so many people actually want him to win. I am not sure, exactly, how that is scary. Let's take a look at the reality of our current political situation, fear mongering and demagogic arguments aside. We in the US live in a country with two parties that have, for all intents and purposes, chosen their two favorites for leaders. When we go to the polls in November we will either vote for Mrs. Clinto…
IMHO, we are better off than that. For comparison, let's look at the record: Hoover? Was totally oblivious to the The Great Depression. Didn't see the crash coming; didn't know what to do to fix it. FDR? Was too slow getting us out of The Great Depression. We came out in 90 days flat once people started shooting at us. The damage to the US from The Great Depression was horrible with much of it still with us. He did g…
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#352The only things Trump is right about are the exact same things that every politician says: > He's right that many Americans are getting screwed by the system. He’s right that the economy is not growing nearly fast enough. He's right that we're drowning in political correctness, and that broken campaign finance laws have bred a class of ineffective career politicians. It's demagoguery 101.
I would question the assumption that every politician says PC is something negative that we have too much of. Certainly I'd have hard time finding many left-wing politicians saying that.
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, I'll play your game. First, the judge situation is not the worst thing about Trump, it's actually a very very minor thing in the scheme of things, but I agree with you on the Iranian judge blocking, that is a very wrong and racist decision by whoever decided on it in the Obama admin, but it doesn't mean that, just because Obama did it, it's ok for Trump to do it. Furthermore, the only reason Trump is calling bias…
I'm not arguing that you should vote for Trump. I'm just pointing out the lies and distortion. People should make their decision based on facts. > Trump is calling bias here is because he knows that he antagonized people of Mexican origin Doesn't matter. Even if Trump deliberately antagonized people of Mexican origin, he still deserves fair treatment in court. > Re: Muslim ban/profiling Muslim profiling is the de fac…
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> He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him fairly, and that it is probably because of his heritage. The judge is an _American_ of Mexican ethnicity. Trump said that the judge gave unfair rulings because of the judge's ethnicity. Trump is advocating that ethnicity "trumps" citizenship, judicial duty, or any other personal and professional virtues. As Paul Ryan correctly noted this kind of essentialis…
When a judge joins a group called LaRaza "the race", a violent mexican affiliated group that burns american flags and wants to return California to Mexico then maybe, just maybe race does have something to do with the ideas that this judge espouses and hence why that judge's race SEEMINGLY influences his decisions. Surely not even you think that Trump is an actual racist, as in: he thinks mexicans are worth less as h…
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While I think Trump is a bad choice, I think comparing him to Hitler is overzealous and irresponsible. I think it's just plain lazy. In Presidential elections, we generally have terrible choices (even if this doesn't become obvious until much later). This year is particularly noteworthy. Painting one side as evil incarnate is neither insightful nor productive, and the type of fodder easily available on hundreds of ot…
Judging by the downvotes, I'd say that partisan politics is alive and well on HN. Pathetic.
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Well, he wrote a bunch of stuff about how everything is terrible because of the Jews, then he set out to murder them all. Oh wait, you mean Trump? Tons of examples if you look. Criticizing a judge for being Mexican is one recent example.
"Mexico is not a race."
Re: Trump
#357I am no Trump fan, but I noticed a couple of points that might be misguided or incomplete: 1. "Trump's casual racism, misogyny, and conspiracy theories are without precedent among major presidential nominees." -- I think this is probably a stretch. I would guess that many previous candidates were just as bad if not worse. It just so happens now that everything candidates say or tweet is recorded, played back, and ult…
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#358I feel like Sam really misrepresented Trump's views, but that's expected from someone who's opposed to him. At this point, nothing will convince me to not vote for Trump. I'm too concerned about national security and my fellow (legal) Americans losing their jobs.
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> And he suggests that background creates a bias in the case. Not really. We have to be more careful with the words than that. Here's the difference: Trump said that the judge's rulings show that the judge is biased. So, if we accept that the judge is biased, then we want a reason, that is, we want some motivation . Well, it turns out, this judge has Mexican ancestry, is active in some pro-Mexican political causes th…
He also believes a Muslim judge could be unfair to him because of his policies. I think the media is not really distorting his thinking but rather clarifying it. Similar to when he said Obama has something else going on with regards to radical Islam. He didn't say it, but said people should fill in the blank. Also, his lawyers have never filed such a claim.
I tried to be clear. And it really is clear: Trump claims that the judge IS unfair, and his reasons for saying that are that, as Trump claims, the judge has ruled in unfair ways. So, we get this far, the judge unfair, without mentioning Mexico. Or, the REASON Trump is saying that the judge is unfair is "because" of the judge's rulings against Trump. Then, as in
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> All I'm trying to do is figure out why I'm being treated so unfairly by a judge. And a lot of people agree with it. All I want to do, all I want to do is find out why I'm being treated so unfairly by a judge.
Trump is looking for the judge's motivation -- common enough in legal cases, right? So, Trump concludes that the judge's motivation in being unfair is the judge's Mexican background and support of pro-Mexican causes that conflict with some of Trump's campaign positions.
So, we have two uses of "because". Really the second use would be better written, Trump says that the judge's motivation to be unfair was "because" of the judge's Mexican background, etc.
That is, Trump is addressing not just one point about the judge but two -- (1) unfair rulings and (2) motivation for the unfairness. The Mexican part has only to do with point (2).
But, sure, the media that wants headlines claiming that Trump is racist leaps to combine points (1) and (2) and say that Trump says that the judge is unfair "because" of his Mexican background, etc. No: Trump says that the judge is unfair "because" of the judge's rulings and then says that the judge is motivated to be unfair "because" the judge's Mexican background conflicts with Trump's campaign positions.
The media has leaped, nearly in unison, to have a lot of fun, get a lot of clicks, confusing the rulings and the motivations for the rulings to claim that Trump is racist. Trump has claimed that the media is dishonest and disgusting, and IMHO this is an example.
Was the judge unfair? Heck if I know -- I'm not a lawyer. But, unfair or not, maybe as a defendant, as part of a good defense, Trump gets to push back against the judge.
But no way does the record support that Trump is being racist, that is, support that Trump says that any judge with a Mexican background will automatically be unfair.
In one interview, Trump was asked why he didn't say that the judge's rulings were unfair and stop there and not mention Mexico. Sure, Trump might have done that. But Trump says he is a "counter puncher" and, e.g., ready to attack back, in this case, say that the motivation (right, my attempt at being more clear) of the judge was the Mexican stuff. In such counter punching, Trump builds his reputation as no pushover and gets more media attention. In response in this case, much of the media took the opportunity to attack back by playing with the word "because" by conflating the two issues, the rulings and the motivations.
IMHO, Trump is this and that but he's not racist at all. The media -- too often deliberately disgustingly deceptive.
As you mention, for a Muslim judge, would he have to be unfair? Nope. But if a Muslim judge WERE unfair, could his motivation for being unfair be that he was a Muslim and Trump's campaign statements about Muslims? Sure.
Again, there is not just one point to be explained but two -- (1) unfairness and (2) motivation for unfairness. Being Mexican or Muslim would have only to do with (2).