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Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by namlem »

kayamon wrote: post #175
im3w1l wrote: post #128

When something that was previously (more or less) politically neutral takes a stance people get upset. Especially when there is vendor lock-in. Some thought experiments: Imagine if Comcast blocked access to all liberal sites. Imagine if Microsoft word was changed so only pro-liberal documents could be created. For extra fun imagine if people could be "shadowbanned" so all their files were silently deleted. Imagine if…

That's not an especially useful comparsion. If Google didn't let people search for what they wanted, they'd just go use a different search engine. If reddit doesn't do what people want, there are other websites for them.

The google example is bad, but I think it applies to reddit and facebook. There are no real alternatives to speak of. Now, if they really adopted policies that harsh, people would leave anyway and the competitors would experience a massive burst of growth. However, milder forms of biased content filtering could probably get through.

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Post by eertami »

txru wrote: post #120
teraflop wrote: post #30

This article dramatically understates the magnitude of the shitstorm that is currently unfolding. Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/all/ if you feel like seeing all the ugliness. (And if anyone has any doubts that this is ultimately about harassment, count how many of the posts on the front page (and their comments) are made up of personal attacks and/or obscenities targeted at CEO Ellen Pao.) I don't fault the Reddi…

Here's /r/all as of about a half hour ago. Not cool. http://imgur.com/a/5KMCS#0

Why not? It's pretty funny.

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Post by eertami »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #8

I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand I'm against censorship, on the other I'm against internet bullying. /r/FatPeopleHate was engaging in both. In the end reddit is a private site that can do what it wants. Wikipedia removes things all the time and sites like 4chan remove all sorts of extremely offensive material. I'm glad the mods of the hate oriented subreddits have been shadow banned, I actually think…

>/r/FatPeopleHate was engaging in both.

Blatant lies such as this do not help your side of the argument.

FPH was not engaging in harassment or bullying whatsoever, any instances of this were entirely attempts at false flagging. FPH is not about hate, it is not discriminatory, it is not prejudice, and it most certainly didn't violate any of reddits rules.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by eertami »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #63
EC1 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet bullying? What? Just don't visit places like r/fatpeoplehate if you are fat. Just turn it off.

You don't have to visit to get bullied. They were literally posting people's Facebook pages, images posted in other subs, and original photos they took themselves. There are numerous incidents of harassment against other users on Reddit, and even off of Reddit. The admins said themselves they received numerous complaints.

>The admins said themselves they received numerous complaints.

Come on lol everyone knows that isn't true.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by redml »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #8

I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand I'm against censorship, on the other I'm against internet bullying. /r/FatPeopleHate was engaging in both. In the end reddit is a private site that can do what it wants. Wikipedia removes things all the time and sites like 4chan remove all sorts of extremely offensive material. I'm glad the mods of the hate oriented subreddits have been shadow banned, I actually think…

If the problem is "bullying", there's plenty of subreddits that exist solely to bully other subreddits. The administration are showing bias and bending around their own rules, but that's not really surprising for a site that shadowbans its users.

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Post by redml »

honestcoyote wrote: post #194
shard972 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find mind difference between the conduct of 3rd wave feminists and a lot of the misogyny and racism I see online.

Every time I see this accusation against 3rd wave feminism, I realize the poster has no idea what 3rd wave feminism is. 2nd wave is the one which frightened insecure men, and had some strong anti porn and anti sex messages from a few proponents. 3rd wave, in short, is why don't we all get along, sex is awesome, and if we help men with some of their problems with toxic masculinity, then everyone is better off. edit: H…

> if we help men with some of their problems with toxic masculinity

And this is why nobody takes you seriously.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by redml »

ejcx wrote: post #26

The idea is to make people who are being harassed on reddit feel safe[0]. This goal is something I think everyone agrees is a good goal. As a policy decision, I think it is pretty weird they started banning communities instead of people. There are a lot of people on reddit and policing individual users would be a challenge. Would something like a "flag harassment" button have the same desired affect? 0 - http://www.r…

The question is safe for who? Who are they trying to appease/attract to the site by changing it? They're just driving away their current userbase who likes things as they are.

The time to set boundaries was during the sites initial founding. It's a little late to have regrets.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by redml »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #63
EC1 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet bullying? What? Just don't visit places like r/fatpeoplehate if you are fat. Just turn it off.

You don't have to visit to get bullied. They were literally posting people's Facebook pages, images posted in other subs, and original photos they took themselves. There are numerous incidents of harassment against other users on Reddit, and even off of Reddit. The admins said themselves they received numerous complaints.

The only reason I have my doubts is the admins are banning several knock-off subreddits as "ban evasion". Essentially the idea of "fatpeoplehate" is banned from reddit, not the behavior of users or the moderators, which is contrary to the claims of the admins.
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