Speaking up

Post by Mz » Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 12:09 AM UTC

Tichy wrote: post #248

Mz wrote: post #245

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Generally speaking, across the globe, female sexuality is framed as something which exists for the pleasure of men. A stronger rebuttal to remarks which objectify a woman sexually is not to be all in a huff but to turn it around and talk about men like they are sex objects. I am a woman. I have done that. It is such a powerful thing to do that if I am not extremely careful, rather than teaching men they should not ta…

"female sexuality is framed as something which exists for the pleasure of men." I must say I have never noticed this, so I am not sure what to say. I can't really make sense of it either. My impression was sex exists to create babies, not to pleasure men. I don't say that to try to be funny, just to express that it seems a very long way from that to "female sexuality exits to pleasure men". Or do you mean the use of…

Your most recent reply is also showing as dead. So I cannot reply directly to it. And I kind of see no point. I know you said you are short of time, but it sounds to me like you concluded I am some frigid manhating bitch who can't find a decent man cuz I have issues or something. Not a place I care to go and not a discussion that will enlighten anyone.

Best of luck with whatever you were hoping to better understand when this conversation began.

Peace. Out.

Post by Tichy » Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 12:11 AM UTC

timsally wrote: post #273

Tichy wrote: post #160

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To be honest I don't understand what this has to do with sexism. I would think this is actually a crime (stalking?) committed by some deranged individual, whose real motivations we don't know anything about. Even if they were "hatred of women" or whatever, I fail to see what the lesson to be learned from that should be? Is the implied assumption that the deed was encouraged by rampant sexism in the industry? In the l…

I've read all your comments on the various threads and a central theme seems to be the following question: how does sexism fit into all of this, isn't this just harassment/stalking? It's a fair question. Recall that sexism is discrimination based on sex OR behavior that fosters stereotypical/hurtful attitudes and roles. The attacker did both here. He attempted to drown out the technical ability of the victim by, duri…

Sorry if I only reply now, I was traveling. Also, I can't think of a useful comment. I just see it very differently, and the reason I ask "why has it to be categorized as sexist" is that I worry about the implications. For example if it is assumed that it is demeaning for a nude picture of a woman to be posted, but not if it was a nude picture of a man, the implication seems to be women should somehow be ashamed of the way they look nude.

I probably can't describe it very well, but I sense lots of weird implications of calling it "sexist" which I think are not really what the people calling the sexism flag had in mind.

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