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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by PeterStuer »

Aurornis wrote: post #269
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

> The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. The switching costs of changing LLM providers is as low as it gets. All the individuals and startups I know try different models all of the time, even down to the level of choosing which provider to use based on the task. Bigger companies move slower but only beca…

For real production I find the switching cost is not as trivial as you portray. Even going to a new model version in the same model family, say GPT-4o to GPT-5.2, a transition I just finished on a not too complicated application, requires extensive retesting and tweaking of prompts, guardrails and parameters.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by lukan »

worldsavior wrote: post #322
nickv wrote: post #83

I bet you that nothing changed with how Fable 5 is run. "Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models" LOL, this was already happening. This clown car administration just keeps making shit up and then backpedalling in a way that just leaves everything worse.

They're cooperating, the US government knows that and it was all a scheme to hype the model or affect the market.

Was this part of the scheme as well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic%E2%80%93United_State...

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by raverbashing »

Sammi wrote: post #45
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

Reducing your costs is also an advantage, but I'm not surprised such binary thinking is present here

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by [deleted] »

softwaredoug wrote: post #120
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

The real problem is the White House just making up the rules as it goes. No laws. No predictably for the markets. A week or so pause from seemingly legitimate cyber security concerns isn’t cause for panic. But it should be backed by laws that describe what that process should be. That would put the market at ease

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by user43928 »

poopyscoopy wrote: post #72

Debating if I should re-sub to the Max plan now (in case they grandfather people in some how) or if I should just wait and see what they announce.

They announced a generous 3.5 days of subscription usage, plus a broken classifier.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by remus »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #284
matheusmoreira wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what do you expect I expect the strong cybersecurity model to help me strengthen the cybersecurity of my project. > not allowed to cover security topics They said it wouldn't be usable for offensive purposes. This is the opposite of that.

You don't have the strong cybersecurity model. That is not Fable. It never was, even at release. The cybersecurity model is Mythos, which was never made publicly available. It is only available to a list of US government approved companies. > They said it wouldn't be usable for offensive purposes No, they said Fable would refuse for cybersecurity and offensive purposes. You are conflating Fable with Mythos.

They're very similar models though, just with different safeguards and restrictions in placae around particular use cases.

I guess the underlying issue is that there is this model that is very capable, but it's being hobbled because of a fear of abuse. It may well be justified, but for a legitimate user any restriction just makes it a worse product and after all the puffery around how good it is (and some practical experience of how good it is) it's a pretty shit experience. "Here's our best model, no you can't really use it".

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by low_tech_love »

avaer wrote: post #11

I shudder to think what the definition of "malicious activity" is that they will be reporting to the government. Speech has been severely chilled the last couple of years. It's nice that the restriction is going to get lifted but I hope this doesn't make anyone complacent that their coding work is going to be scrutinized by the US government, with AI, when using these models.

The FBI has started to test the idea in other countries:

https://www.mixvale.com.br/2026/06/26/fbi-warns-brazilian-po...

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by low_tech_love »

stavarotti wrote: post #55

I just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, et…

To be honest, given the overwhelming (and unfair, and unreasonable) pressure against them from the Leviathan, which the other companies do not have to deal with, they’re doing pretty damn good. In my mind the trust has actually increased that they can handle bad times and still push forward.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

Sammi wrote: post #45
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

For businesses where this is true, they also need to be able to switch provider quickly in case the best provider changes.

It's almost identical to the possibility of one model getting shut down for a business that doesn't care about SOTA.

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