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Post by nextaccountic »

bunderbunder wrote: post #109
VladVladikoff wrote: post #15

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The flood of AI music on their platform is becuase people can make money off it. If you turn off that faucet you stop the flooding.

And the flood really is overwhelming. This weekend my mom was complaining about having trouble finding anything actually good to read on Kindle Unlimited. I mentioned that the relative lack of slop is one of the major reasons I chose Kobo over Kindle. Even before this latest AI boom I was already starting to view less content as a feature, not a bug, because it seems that on subscription services “more” is increasing…

> This weekend my mom was complaining about having trouble finding anything actually good to read on Kindle Unlimited.

I don't understand this. Who goes to an online store to decide what to read? Rather than just buy what you wanted to buy.

I would expect that people were going to.. places where people talk about books. Like goodreads, or even some interesting thread on /r/books, or whatever. And then, well, after you decide what to read, you think about how you will obtain it. I think people have their priorities inverted.

And I think like that because the storefront doesn't have your best interest at heart. For them you're just a number on a bottom line.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by kalleboo »

fxwin wrote: post #201
dawnerd wrote: post #194

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I guess you haven’t seen some of the agentic stuff?

I work with coding agents every day, I don't think they have ever started working on a project without me telling them to

OpenClaw does this kind of stuff. People give it a "personality" and let it go wild doing whatever it wants - finding and contributing PRs to GitHub projects, and yes also making music. It was all the rage like 2-5 months ago.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by fxwin »

kalleboo wrote: post #342
fxwin wrote: post #201

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I work with coding agents every day, I don't think they have ever started working on a project without me telling them to

OpenClaw does this kind of stuff. People give it a "personality" and let it go wild doing whatever it wants - finding and contributing PRs to GitHub projects, and yes also making music. It was all the rage like 2-5 months ago.

And i would consider this as an agent doing things under human instruction

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by Freedumbs »

Grombobulous wrote: post #90
gonzalohm wrote: post #83

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Why is that? And who draws the line? If I use a synthesizer to generate music, does that count as AI generated?

I was under the impression that the US copyright office/various judges already determined that anything created 100% by AI is not copyrightable. A synthesizer is not AI.

What's the technical distinction? Do you mean music that is composed by an LLM when referring to AI? How can one draw the line? It's like saying math doesn't count if the doctor used a calculator or your house isn't real because electricity was used to assemble it.

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

selectodude wrote: post #163
vlian2088 wrote: post #127

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as opposed to ye olde twitter where only wholesome racism was allowed https://web.archive.org/web/20181130015402/https://pasteboar... https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011518/https://pasteboar... https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011519/https://pasteboar...

I have this magical ability to think lots of people can suck simultaneously. I’m also able to separate the power and ability to inflict damage of a bunch of shitheads on twitter from the White House and the first ever trillionaire.

Don't feed the trolls please

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by ch_sm »

Grombobulous wrote: post #78
postalcoder wrote: post #49

AI music has taken over small businesses like coffee shops and restaurants. AI music drives me nuts because, to me, it still is very much deep in an uncanny valley. That said, I can't blame the businesses because they are all (dis)incentive driven. The music industry has stepped up its efforts globally to crack down on small businesses that play copyrighted music. They actually hire people to go into these places and…

This is all about streaming platforms commandeering royalties away from artists. The way royalties get assigned is based on a percentage of your listening versus your monthly payment. For example, spend an entire month listening to Taylor Swift’s new album, she gets the entire royalty share. But if you listen to the album 100 times but then listen to lofi beats 900 times, Taylor only gets 10%. The “earnings per strea…

>The way royalties get assigned is based on a percentage of your listening versus your monthly payment. For example, spend an entire month listening to Taylor Swift’s new album, she gets the entire royalty share. But if you listen to the album 100 times but then listen to lofi beats 900 times, Taylor only gets 10%.

Not sure about Tidal, but that’s not how it works on Spotify. Instead, artists get paid per stream — about 0.003$. Anything from you the pool of your monthly payment allocated for royalties that you did not use gets distributed proportionally between the artists with the most streams. So say:

- I pay 10$ a month - 5$ of that is reserved for royalties - I listen to 330 songs a month (~ 1$) - 4$ remain in the pot and are paid to the most popular artists

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

blehn wrote: post #303
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #252

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I'm not saying it doesn't exist at all, I'm saying electronic music is significantly harder for AI to do than a conventional love ballad or a rock song. AI can't do "robotic" math music, it's best at sappy generic emotive stuff. (I guess this isn't at all a surprise for those that know how the musical sausage is made.)

> electronic music is significantly harder for AI to do than a conventional love ballad or a rock song Why do you say that? I'd argue the opposite

Look at the majority of AI music and see for yourself.

AI does common-denominator stuff best, and common-denominator is heartfealt lyrics over some pentatonic chords. (Not Kraftwerk or whatever.)

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmnfixpA9Cs is a quintessential AI song.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by kombookcha »

bunderbunder wrote: post #109
VladVladikoff wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flood of AI music on their platform is becuase people can make money off it. If you turn off that faucet you stop the flooding.

And the flood really is overwhelming. This weekend my mom was complaining about having trouble finding anything actually good to read on Kindle Unlimited. I mentioned that the relative lack of slop is one of the major reasons I chose Kobo over Kindle. Even before this latest AI boom I was already starting to view less content as a feature, not a bug, because it seems that on subscription services “more” is increasing…

After many years on audible, I left because there was a deluge of AI generated works or AI voice 'readings' of (especially public domain) works on there. It's especially galling because they make up fake names for their AI voice and force me to trawl IMDB to figure out if this is a real guy who just randomly has really inappropriate tone and tempo for the passage I just heard, or if I have been scammed. Regardless, it's a clear and unacceptable deterioration of my product quality as a subscriber, so I'm off.

I don't know exactly how the incentives work for uploading shitloads of different slop readings of old novels on there, but it seemed to show no sign of slowing down.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

gonzalohm wrote: post #257
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #253

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Tools are things that you 100 percent control based on nothing but your own skill. Oracles are things that give you free stuff if you've been a good boy and respected the oracle's rituals.

So if I sample a guitar because I don't know how to play the guitar, is the tool I used to sample it "an oracle"?

No, you're using the sampler as a tool.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by motoxpro »

nextaccountic wrote: post #341
bunderbunder wrote: post #109

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And the flood really is overwhelming. This weekend my mom was complaining about having trouble finding anything actually good to read on Kindle Unlimited. I mentioned that the relative lack of slop is one of the major reasons I chose Kobo over Kindle. Even before this latest AI boom I was already starting to view less content as a feature, not a bug, because it seems that on subscription services “more” is increasing…

> This weekend my mom was complaining about having trouble finding anything actually good to read on Kindle Unlimited. I don't understand this. Who goes to an online store to decide what to read? Rather than just buy what you wanted to buy. I would expect that people were going to.. places where people talk about books. Like goodreads, or even some interesting thread on /r/books, or whatever. And then, well, after yo…

Have you never gone to a bookstore in real life and just browsed? Not everything has to come from recommendation or reviews or research. It can just be pure exploration.

Its the same process online and offline: See an interesting cover/title, read the dust cover, skim a page to get the writing style, buy or dont buy.

Sure, you will get "more bad than good" but not everything needs to be efficient, and in the old days, the bookstore played the role of curator so you could have a great experience spending a few hours in the store. You would come away having discovered a book that isnt the hotest thing on some review site or message board. That's probably the experience she has been replicating, but now the overall quality has gone down.

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