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Re: Tidal AI Policy

#191
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I'm a Tidal subscriber, something like this is needed. My Tidal "feed" is full of new releases that are clearly AI-generated. They use the same artist name as artists that I really like, but the music is clearly not from the artist as advertised. I have no problem with AI-generated music, I just don't want someone trying to spoof the artists I am interested in.

This is a discovery problem, and all the streaming platforms are trash at discovery because discovery is a long tail problem. That’s where record labels shine because of individualized A&R and tastemakers, which is why record label consolidation is antithetical to quality music output (edit: and diverse).

However, you’ll also notice that none of these streaming platforms highlight which record label is responsible for which release, though you can find it under additional info sometimes. Tin foil hat is that the large record companies don’t want such a feature to be present on streaming platforms. But more likely is that product employees at streaming platforms don’t think users care about record labels, which they’re right, 80% of users don’t currently care about which record label releases which track or recording.

Give me a streaming platform with “Label” as a first class entity that I can like, follow, etc. My theory is that it will produce a much healthier long tail, because trustworthy labels are already a robust source of non-AI music.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

#192

I really hope someone makes a music platform in the future that is verified as human-made. Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it. Tie it to in-person concerts and it might actually work as a business, as well as logistically – maybe the company can be a record producer in disguise and physically meet every musician they host.

Perhaps. But just how human made? We already had the “Depeche Mode isn’t real music because they just push play on a sequencer” debate 40 years ago.

And lots of composers can’t play the stuff they write. But the composition is human.

Then there’s emerging AI-supported music, since AI can come up with and test harmonic ideas far more sophisticated than most people. If a human’s saying “no, not that, try using an augmented sixth to get us from F#maj to Cmin”, is that human generated?

Not trying to be contrary, just saying the definition needs to be really clear, and that’s going to be difficult.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

#193
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> Tidal will accept AI-generated music. > Tidal will hold AI-generated music to a higher standard of content integrity. We will not tolerate AI-generated music that exploits an individual’s or group’s music, name or likeness, deceives listeners, or diminishes the quality of our service. I think this is a very reasonable approach, and probably also the best way to treat AI-powered copyright infringement as a whole. Ju…

Tidal should simply ban AI generated music from upload if they are not willing to pay uploaders should the music become popular. Under these rules an AI generated country and western song that makes it to number 1 on the billboard chart makes Tidal money and the uploader nothing.

> We will therefore not knowingly attribute royalties to music we identify as wholly AI-generated.

Seems like Tidal is leaning on a probable lack of copyright for fully generated works here, otherwise wouldn't this run head-first into the music modernization act?

Re: Tidal AI Policy

#194
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The difference between AI and artists is that artists are humans, which should grant them more rights and fewer penalties than some fucking software. Artists don't get penalized, but for that reason, we should penalize the hell out of it. If a bunch of hyper intelligent space aliens came in and started squeezing the rest of us out of creative economic activity, they shouldn't be on an equal playing field either. Laws…

> Laws and rules exist to serve humans, not machines. Machines don't go out on their own to create and upload music, they do so under human instruction, so their output should be policed the same way we police other machine generated output directed by humans.

I guess you haven’t seen some of the agentic stuff?

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#195
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I was under the impression that the US copyright office/various judges already determined that anything created 100% by AI is not copyrightable. A synthesizer is not AI.

Nothing is “created 100% by AI” though, because AIs don’t create things without human instructions.

How much instruction do you need though?

What if I prompt Claude to go prompt Suno? What if the same chain happens internally at Suno? Easy to imagine the human input being very dilute and a small part overall.

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#196
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I'm curious about they will apply the part saying "AI-generated music will not be monetizable." What does AI-generated music mean, exactly? What if you make an AI generated bassline but produce the rest of a track by hand? How about an AI vocal? Or a mix of AI stems and your own recordings? Tidal's terms and conditions ( https://tidal.com/terms ) say that: > “AI-Generated Content” means any audio content, inclusive o…

As a musician I can definitely tell when a song has been arranged by AI but performed by humans. There are a couple of chart-toppers done this way. I won't give up the ghost, though ;)

are there tells beyond the lyrics? I swear there are a number of songs using out of “human distribution” words, trigrams, etc.

Is it overall song structure?

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#197
post #123

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I was under the impression that the US copyright office/various judges already determined that anything created 100% by AI is not copyrightable. A synthesizer is not AI.

Nothing is “created 100% by AI” though, because AIs don’t create things without human instructions.

The prompt is yours to copyright, the algorithm belongs to Google or Suno or whoever, but not the output. It is not your creation.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

#198
post #17

I'm a Tidal subscriber, something like this is needed. My Tidal "feed" is full of new releases that are clearly AI-generated. They use the same artist name as artists that I really like, but the music is clearly not from the artist as advertised. I have no problem with AI-generated music, I just don't want someone trying to spoof the artists I am interested in.

This is a discovery problem, and all the streaming platforms are trash at discovery because discovery is a long tail problem. That’s where record labels shine because of individualized A&R and tastemakers, which is why record label consolidation is antithetical to quality music output (edit: and diverse). However, you’ll also notice that none of these streaming platforms highlight which record label is responsible fo…

I agree. I think it's also a curation, taste, and trust problem, which is where the record labels can step in and shine.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

#199
Cool stuff. I love AI music. Listen to it all day while writing code or whatever. Most of the time it’s the outrun or vaporwave like 1 hr playlists on YouTube and then I have a few Suno songs I’m fond of when I feel a specific mood strike me.

It’s pretty cool technology. You just ask for a certain feeling to be evoked and you can have it done. Magical.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

#200

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I have this magical ability to think lots of people can suck simultaneously. I’m also able to separate the power and ability to inflict damage of a bunch of shitheads on twitter from the White House and the first ever trillionaire.

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