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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by joxdosba »

jameshilliard wrote: post #326
joxdosba wrote: post #222

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> it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well. Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. Israel then murders said children. Obviously Hamas must be to blame for Israeli actions.

> Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. More like Hamas/UNRWA schools teach children to be terrorists.

Why is it that most of the world despises the Israelis, despite them not having gone to Hamas/UNRWA schools?

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by KingMob »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #339
KingMob wrote: post #217

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This is ironic, because the UN itself was already a rebuilt version of the League of Nations.

It's not ironic, it's just a fact. The only thing which counts is raw power and the means to deliver it. The US just got a lesson in its limits from the Iranian regime. Countries with natural resources need their own defense against thieves like the US and its vassals. Libya, Iraq, Syria. Oil and no nukes. Fat use the UN was for them. (Forget about the UN. Take a home owners' association. In due course a clique will…

Uhhh, irony and facts are not mutually exclusive categories.

And advocating for the dissolution and replacement of the UN due to it being ineffective is deeply ironic, because that's exactly what happened with the League of Nations, which led to the later formation of the UN.

You seem to be in an argumentative mood, but nothing I said is disagreeing with you about the ineffectuality of the UN.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by n4r9 »

Protostome wrote: post #295
Schmerika wrote: post #274

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> children got killed because their school was used as a ground base to fire rockets from. I don't really know how to talk to people who think killing children - by the tens of thousands - is ever justified, but maybe this will help you: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t-mMt3c3ngQ

Well, I presume you never had to make the choice between just living with rocket barrages as a daily routine, this is something that’s incredibly hard to fathom. For years and years. Golda Meir once said that peace between Israel and the Palestinians will come once the Palestinians will love their children more than they hate the Jews. Here is perhaps something that could sway your opinion https://youtu.be/g-xfCH3PQT…

Memri TV is well known for using mistranslations and selective quotation in order to portray Arabs as anti-semitic and extremist: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/15/arabic...

For all I know, this is the equivalent of filming Westboro Baptist Church members and framing it as the average American's views on homosexuality.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by manyaoman »

Zvez wrote: post #317
manyaoman wrote: post #260

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> Does Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so. Just curious: is there a (hypothetical) red line that Israel would have to cross for you to be convinced? If not, you're biased.

ofc there is if Israel start taking hostages, rape them, ask for stuff for them publicly.

Take a look at the report, it's all in there.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by hardbass »

gershy wrote: post #338
kykeonaut wrote: post #324

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In what world is 20,179 dead children the lesser of two evils?

The pro-israel argument is that hamas are almost entirely to blame for those numbers (as they use civilian infrastructure for war purposes)

Almost all Israelis are IDF members, members of various intelligence and defense companies. If we plotted a map of a suitable attack radius around all valid combat targets in Israel, almost the entirety of their "civilian" regions would be covered.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by Protostome »

n4r9 wrote: post #343
Protostome wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I presume you never had to make the choice between just living with rocket barrages as a daily routine, this is something that’s incredibly hard to fathom. For years and years. Golda Meir once said that peace between Israel and the Palestinians will come once the Palestinians will love their children more than they hate the Jews. Here is perhaps something that could sway your opinion https://youtu.be/g-xfCH3PQT…

Memri TV is well known for using mistranslations and selective quotation in order to portray Arabs as anti-semitic and extremist: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/15/arabic... For all I know, this is the equivalent of filming Westboro Baptist Church members and framing it as the average American's views on homosexuality.

Did you encounter any mistranslation here specifically? it's pretty easy to translate the video with Gemini or a different AI tool. I did it - I ran it through ElevenLabs transcription and GPT5.5 based translation of the transcript, this is what I got:

00:00:16,479 --> 00:00:34,520 [Speaker 0] And I pray in every prayer — every prayer, every prayer — that I, your father, your sisters, girls and boys, all of you, will be martyrs for the sake of God. When death comes to us, may our whole family be martyrs for the sake of God. And of course, I am proud of Muhammad. I am proud, praise be to God. I mean, praise be to God, praise be to God, all my children are religious and good.

00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:34,919 [Speaker 1] God has willed it / God bless.

00:00:34,919 --> 00:00:49,959 [Speaker 0] And I, praise be to God — by God, by God — my children and my grandchildren, and all of their family, if all of them were martyred for the sake of God, I would be happy. I mean, praise be to God, I love this path. I mean, I feel that this path is salvation.

Clearly, there's no mistranslation here, the intention is very clear.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by olelele »

borolaj wrote: post #236
amatheus wrote: post #201

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Deaths should not fall randomly across the population unless you’re committing war crimes.

I agree, however the claim is not war crimes, its genocide. People think that using genocide to simply mean lots of killing and destruction and war makes them morally superior, but genocide entails "intent" and we need a vocabulary to differentiate between the two.

I am sorry but did you look at pictures of Gaza? Do you not see them actually CONCENTRATING the previously 2 million people there into a gigantic CAMP?

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by olelele »

Zvez wrote: post #314
hashstring wrote: post #191

> Between October 7, 2023 and October 7, 2025, at least 20,179 children were killed, around 30% of the overall death toll. > A rebuttal shared by Israel's mission in Geneva said Israel "consistently strives to minimize harm to children even in situations of conflict". Well, it is certainly no question that Israel is killing children en masse. Israeli officials are saying “but we are trying to minimize”. Well, these a…

> Yes, horrible, but at what point does the consensus become that October 7 starts to look like a small event in light of the death toll on the other side At the point when other side (free palestine and alike) start acknowledging it. Two wrongs don't make something right. Start with teaching Palestine supporters that hamas is not the answer. And maybe, maybe after that people start seeing Palestine people as victims…

To go back a long long while, the Israeli state was also founded by religious paramilitary organizations. Irgun et al.

Hamas IS the only organization to survive Israeli assasinations & internal conflict. Why is it there are no secular Palestinian groups left?

IMO Hamas / Netanyahu & the Kahanists are both the worst possible leadership on both sides.

The Kahanists literally murdered the Israeli prime minister for shaking hands w Arafat.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by tonks »

lorecore wrote: post #323
tonks wrote: post #305

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I shouldn't even engage with this since you've been spamming the entire thread with pro-Israel hasbara, but Ashkenazis are native to Europe not the Middle East, and yes they should return to their homeland -- mainly Eastern and Central Europe.

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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by n4r9 »

Protostome wrote: post #346
n4r9 wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Memri TV is well known for using mistranslations and selective quotation in order to portray Arabs as anti-semitic and extremist: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/15/arabic... For all I know, this is the equivalent of filming Westboro Baptist Church members and framing it as the average American's views on homosexuality.

Did you encounter any mistranslation here specifically? it's pretty easy to translate the video with Gemini or a different AI tool. I did it - I ran it through ElevenLabs transcription and GPT5.5 based translation of the transcript, this is what I got: 00:00:16,479 --> 00:00:34,520 [Speaker 0] And I pray in every prayer — every prayer, every prayer — that I, your father, your sisters, girls and boys, all of you, will…

> and selective quotation
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