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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by fluoridation »

maccard wrote: post #336
fluoridation wrote: post #319

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Why would everyone be hosed just because a binary got committed to version control? Either way, surely you can set up some policies or monitoring for that sort of thing. I don't know, I've been developing on Windows for decades without an antivirus and I've never had these issues. Are your people downloading and installing random software all the time? In my experience, once I'm set up with my usual tools I rarely ne…

> Why would everyone be hosed just because a binary got committed to version control? We’re hosed if someone submits malware to source control and other people run it? > Either way, surely you can set up some policies or monitoring for that sort of thing. Like a tool that comes with windows that checks that nobody has done that, called windows defender? The tool I have a problem with? > I've been developing on Window…

>Like a tool that comes with windows that checks that nobody has done that, called windows defender? The tool I have a problem with?

No, like a tool that's running on a machine of its own, monitoring what gets pushed to version control, or a policy on the version control server that rejects attempts to push files of the wrong type.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by throw10920 »

gigel82 wrote: post #324
throw10920 wrote: post #313

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I have 16 GB of RAM on my laptop, and I'm told that's relatively little nowadays. Even after the OS's 2 GB cut, I can run 35 applications that use 400 MB each. I don't even have 35 applications that I care about. (and I'm certainly not going to want to run more than, say, three email clients) RAM usage at that scale might not be desirable , but any engineer knows that it's the result of a tradeoff where the other opt…

No quibble, but you'll have to pry classic Outlook from my cold, dead hands... :)

Functionality and design are massively better than the new webapp - I just wish it responded with less than a 10s latency on my work machine...

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Lammy »

patates wrote: post #8

> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

The problem with web apps isn't that they're slow but that they enable the Room 641As of the world to spy on you, just by virtue of making network connections. Encryption doesn't even matter. Just behavior patterns are enough.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by [deleted] »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #327
modriano wrote: post #288

Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…

My favourite part of these success stories when Nautilus can,t replicate some functionality which Windows has since forever, eg copy-pasting tex and files across 3 RDP sessions deep. Sure, someone who uses their computer as a glorified SSH terminal with an occasional Google.Docs edition wouldn't see a problem, but I, who works everyday - do.

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Post by Rohansi »

SoftTalker wrote: post #155
hylaride wrote: post #129

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Active Directory and MS SQL Server are both solid products, as is .NET. The windows NT kernel is very well thought out, too. The last iteration of windows phone was quite good, if too little too late. Don't get me wrong, MS will enshitify anything it can to make a quick buck. They're much like Disney in that regard.

SQL Server is a fork of Sybase. Not a MS invention. Active Directory is probably based on someone's LDAP server, though I don't know for sure. .NET is a copy of Java NT kernel is good, thank Digital/Dave Cutler for that.

> .NET is a copy of Java

A copy which has had value types (Java's ongoing Project Valhalla) from the start, and reified generics for as long as it had generics. They're quite different once you take a deeper look.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by photios »

tevrede wrote: post #318
rescbr wrote: post #270

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I very much prefer Outlook's indexing compared to Sharepoint's shitty UI and search capabilities.

Copilot search is great for searching SharePoint

I came back to reread this last sentence three times. Well done, sir, well done!

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by dachris »

modriano wrote: post #288

Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…

Pretty much the same here. A happy Ubuntu user for 4 years now. Here and there, there's still minor issues, but nothing a quick search or AI can't help you with. And we're hackers here after all.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by al_borland »

Why can't we see the taskbar in the classic notification video? In the new version it's launching the app cold. We can't see if that's happening in the classic video or not. It seems like it's just opening a document window instead of the whole app.

I don't doubt the new one is slower, but it seems odd that that's the only video that doesn't show the taskbar.

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Post by hommelix »

netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

I've read some people replace notepad with Notepad2e [1]. I personally use vim as my text editor.

[1] https://github.com/ProgerXP/Notepad2e

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Escapado »

eudamoniac wrote: post #251
lbriner wrote: post #100

They have enough employees to build native apps that run super quick but are still seduced by the web portability argument which, as we all know, is mostly untrue even now and which introduces all kinds of non-deterministic latencies/errors, which cannot all be handled neatly. To be honest, this is the same in almost all apps that have any more than 10 developers working on them (my estimate!). Death by dependencies…

The platform is not the issue. Competent engineering teams could blow this out of the water with a single threaded jquery web app.

I have to agree here but I would like to add: every single web app I have ever had to build or was part of building was heavily biased and towards adding more features and exorbitant amounts of tracking that me or the other engineers had to practically beg the product owners to do do perf optimisations or reduce technical debt that accumulates after a couple of years, even with lots of low hanging fruits to pick from.
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