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Post by bmacho »

mjmsmith wrote: post #81
tombert wrote: post #9

I have no doubt that the writer is better at translating than AI, but I have to say that AI translation has gotten so good that I'm not sure how much longer translation work will be there, or rather it might end up being more about auditing. For example, I just read the Lawrence Ellsworth translation of The Three Musketeers, which I very thoroughly enjoyed. I don't speak or read French, but from my understanding Ells…

An interesting counter-example: https://xcancel.com/ValerioCapraro/status/206506665753442336...

I had the suspicion that this was more of a problem of missing context than lacking meta linguistic abilities. A text can be translated as "what's the meaning of the words" and "what would a person/character say in an other language in the same situation", and it's not in the prompt which one the user wants, but only in their head.

So I asked my free chatGPT mentioning that it is for a book but it failed too:

> For a book, a natural English translation would be:

> “Just three words: you are not alone.”

https://chatgpt.com/share/6a2d06a3-a3b4-83ed-9e0a-8ec07e05e3...

It even repeated the context. So it seems to me now that it indeed still lacks meta linguistic abilities. (I don't think that this proves anything meaningful about AI.)

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by sushid »

tombert wrote: post #136
stdbrouw wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... yet you still conclude "AI translation has gotten so good", so which is it?

I do think it's gotten pretty good. I'm just acknowledging my limitations in the matter. It's not a contradiction.

I'm sorry but it's just such a glaring caveat. And the fact that you don't speak French...

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Post by fennecbutt »

xp84 wrote: post #45

The ending is a really powerful point. Most people apparently agree on two things: 1. AI is a great boon for all tasks and specialties we don’t have the skills to do ourselves. Understandable, since (A) we’re ill equipped to see the flaws in its output because it isn’t our area of expertise, and (B) it often can unlock great gains because if we trust it, we then don’t have to pay and wait for humans to do that thing.…

>it’ll ever be good enough to replace me for 90% of what I get paid to do

This is more "humans are special" hubris imo. Not saying it's gonna happen tomorrow but look at the advancements from just 2019 to now.

It's unwise to say it'll never happen.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by anotherevan »

hyperpape wrote: post #200
Drupon wrote: post #14

An honest to god article full of em dashes that's not because it was AI but because it was a human using them as a crutch to get around crafting sentences that flow naturally. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

First sentence: > In my Ottawa life, every Tuesday evening, I take two gym classes back to back—boxing and the pompously named “body sculpt,” which makes me discover muscles I didn’t know I had. The em-dash matches how you'd speak out loud. You'd say "I take two classes every Tuesday back to back, boxing and 'body sculpt'. Weird name." (Parts of that sentence did flow oddly, but not because of the em-dash). Grammaria…

This is why I find using speech-to-text tools quite difficult to use: because the parts of my brain that I use for writing and the parts of my brain I use for speaking are a little different — although with significant overlap.

With writing I find I'm drafting the flow for readability and clarity as I'm writing, so I go back and rework bits and pieces — sometimes even while I'm in the middle to typing a sentence. Maybe it's because I write code for a living.

Speech only moves forward and you have to state your retractions or clarifications on the go. You can't go back and edit what you've said.

I've been trying to use speech-to-text a bit to: a) give my hands a bit of a break when I'm writing prose, and b) see if it's faster than typing.

I find there are long pauses while I'm struggling to draft what I'm going to say to what I want written, so I'm not sure if it is faster (given that I'm a ten finger touch typist so can type pretty fast is short bursts, and the time spent going back and tidying up the output which is somewhat tedious). It might improve with more practice.

— No tokens were harmed in the production of this comment. —

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by anotherevan »

bluechair wrote: post #52
Drupon wrote: post #14

An honest to god article full of em dashes that's not because it was AI but because it was a human using them as a crutch to get around crafting sentences that flow naturally. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

My first rule—before doing anything else—when writing a sentence, is to check whether I could have removed the em dashes by re-ordering the elements. Update: in case it’s not obvious, I am sorry. I could not help it.

Update: I am sorry. In case it's not obvious — I could not help it.

FTFY

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by ReptileMan »

Aurornis wrote: post #118
xp84 wrote: post #45

The ending is a really powerful point. Most people apparently agree on two things: 1. AI is a great boon for all tasks and specialties we don’t have the skills to do ourselves. Understandable, since (A) we’re ill equipped to see the flaws in its output because it isn’t our area of expertise, and (B) it often can unlock great gains because if we trust it, we then don’t have to pay and wait for humans to do that thing.…

> This is why I use AI for all my medical questions and doctors use AI to write software, and we both smirk at the quality the other person is getting from it. There is an interesting third group emerging: People who acknowledge the quality problem, but think they can deal with it by applying more AI to the output. This takes the form of people who spin up a lot of "agents" and give them personalities like security d…

3 out of 5 voting works quite well for hardware sensors and for computing in space.

No reason why it won't improve the quality of the agents output too, eventually. Spin 5 from different providers, take the vote.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by TheChetan »

ibudiallo wrote: post #179

Slight tangent into translations: I read two translations of the book "The Master and Margarita". My first read was so boring I couldn't help but stop reading before the end of the first chapter. I can't find the copy and the name of the person who translated it, but this one had all the Russian nicknames translated. It kept talking about a guy called homeless. I thought it was just a bad book and dismissed it for ye…

I had a similar experience reading the “Count of Monte Cristo”. I gave up multiple times when reading the first translation.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by petre »

Aurornis wrote: post #118
xp84 wrote: post #45

The ending is a really powerful point. Most people apparently agree on two things: 1. AI is a great boon for all tasks and specialties we don’t have the skills to do ourselves. Understandable, since (A) we’re ill equipped to see the flaws in its output because it isn’t our area of expertise, and (B) it often can unlock great gains because if we trust it, we then don’t have to pay and wait for humans to do that thing.…

> This is why I use AI for all my medical questions and doctors use AI to write software, and we both smirk at the quality the other person is getting from it. There is an interesting third group emerging: People who acknowledge the quality problem, but think they can deal with it by applying more AI to the output. This takes the form of people who spin up a lot of "agents" and give them personalities like security d…

> People who acknowledge the quality problem, but think they can deal with it by applying more AI to the output.

This is just like throwing more money at a problem, hoping that it might solve it, but instead one throws tokens.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by dosisking »

no_multitudes wrote: post #185
tombert wrote: post #9

I have no doubt that the writer is better at translating than AI, but I have to say that AI translation has gotten so good that I'm not sure how much longer translation work will be there, or rather it might end up being more about auditing. For example, I just read the Lawrence Ellsworth translation of The Three Musketeers, which I very thoroughly enjoyed. I don't speak or read French, but from my understanding Ells…

> Fable might have been trained using Ellsworth's translation and as such it's very directly able to crib from it The `cp` program on my computer also has the remarkable ability to produce a faithful translation of The Three Musketeers when provided one as input.

Not necessarily. If you are using macOS and APFS, it will just make a link, it won't actually make a copy.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by madaxe_again »

Hendrikto wrote: post #334
madaxe_again wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My writing used to be littered with them, but I now eschew the em in favour of en, as it has become too strong an anti-shibboleth. I have also taken to being sloppier in my prose, as I’ve had stories rejected for being “written by AI” - when they’re shorts I wrote more than a decade ago. Reworked them to sound like a moron, accepted. Sigh.

> I now eschew the em in favour of en They have different meaning and are not interchangeable.

Fully aware - although now the broader meaning of the em dash has become “I am an LLM”.
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