This sounds like a great thing for people that beat their domestic partners. Make it harder for their victims to escape.
But this is for the sake of the children safety... And terrorism... Whatever you want to have it wrapped in
FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs
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Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flock is being rejected in a number of cities, thanks to citizens.
How data-driven policing is sold, spoke to someone who set it up once, good odds FLock is doing it, or in the spirit of the below, Flock doesn't have to do it: - There are networked webcams everywhere: DoT cameras, 18 wheeler fleet cameras, traffic cams, etc. - Local PD doesn't want to make a deal with Flock - For average jane and joe citizenry: great, no Flock in town! - For ongoing negotiations with Flock and the P…
> Local PD doesn't want to make a deal with Flock
Except, they totally want to make a deal with Flock. If not Flock, another similar vendor.
Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs
#343A voluntary model would be nice - what X (more or less) does currently. You can elect to be verified by X, and it will show the badge, or you can opt out and not get the badge, but you can still use it.
If phones could reliably tag an incoming call as "ID provided" or not, then people who cared could screen calls appropriately, and people who wanted to protect their identity could still have a phone.
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#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems to depend a lot. It's kind of hard in Germany - they wanted my permanent address. I didn't find France as difficult. Iceland didn't care. Italy wanted my passport. Chile, you virtually needed to be a citizen, as I recall.
Btw you can still buy an anonymous SIM card with cash in the Netherlands in pretty much any supermarket/kiosk/whatever. And if you just need Internet, I haven't had any eSIM provider try to verify my ID so far. Although those can't easily be paid in cash.
Are there services in the EU similar to Privacy.com? They along with US arm of Revolut lets you use disposable digital cards to buy things, but I don't know if such functionality is legal in the EU.
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#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can if it's a roaming eSIM. I'm sure all the countries mentioned here e.g. Australia still handles US SIMs roaming there fine even when the US SIM dossn't have ID tied to it.
A roaming eSIM would work the same way as a roaming SIM. Just because it's easier to set up (no need to get a physical SIM) doesn't change the regulations around it.
I suppose this depends on how the law is written, but are roaming users subject to local SIM regulations for network use? I can't imagine asking for ID from tourists using their existing SIMs is going to work.
I believe some travel eSIMs are actually issued from outside the country you're going to.
Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs
#346This is essentially already a reality in Australia. I had to email identity documents + a photo of my face holding an ID to two separate companies just to shift eSIMs to my new phone.
They have to have your residential address for "emergency reasons" which is fairly defensible at least
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#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
The free anonymous internet was only ever a ruse to get people to use it so the CIA could spy on them. DARPA, folks, created a “free as in beer” global surveillance network and we all bought it. Not that we didn’t get anything in return but the idea that the worlds foremost military industrial complex just gave this to the world because they loved us is laughable.
Huh? DARPA created something to help retain communication and coordination capabilities for our government in event of nuclear attack.
Indeed they did, at great expense and gave it away for free!
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#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Chile, you virtually needed to be a citizen, as I recall. I heard something similar about Russia after recent changes actually, it could as well be impossible for non-residents so tourists just stick with international roaming and public wifi. IIRC there's a catch-22 situation where you need a Gosuslugi (online government services portal) account to buy a sim, but you need a Russian phone number to sign up for one.…
But of course, the public Wifi also requires authentication. With, you guessed it, a phone number.
Yes, that's another law they have. Can't access the internet anonymously, basically. And yes, foreign phone numbers do work.
Though I've seen, plenty of times, smaller places have a "public" wifi with a password, and the password is just written on a piece of paper somewhere. That must technically violate that law. But you know, laws in Russia...
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
But... what does your comment have to do with burner phones? A burner phone is a phone number whose owner is not officially registered somewhere as the owner. A spoofed phone number is a false declaration that you're calling from number XXXXXXXXXX when in fact you're calling from YYYYYYYYYY. You might notice that there is absolutely no relationship between these two ideas. You can be registered and lie about your pho…
There are phone farms that exclusively use burner phones and do not need to spoof caller ID.
Let's recall the claim here:
>>> I think in general the ability to spoof numbers should be banned / controlled. Someone from India should not be allowed to call me with a caller ID from Mayo Clinic.
>> This has absolutely nothing to do with burner phones and the proposed changes won't do anything to change that.
> That is not correct. There a phone farms operating purely on burner phones
This is total nonsense. A phone farm that doesn't spoof caller ID isn't presenting false caller ID.
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#350I do not understand the outrage, law abiting users have nothing to fear (TM) and criminally minded users (or undocumented) can always pay a homeless person, a few bucks to register their burner.