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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by m463 »

brokenmachine wrote: post #226
dylan604 wrote: post #181

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What ever happened to take it to a dealer or authorized repair place to have it done? While I may be willing to take certain things apart that, the one thing in life I have resisted is any kind of monkeying with my car. There are certain things where I'm willing to accept that I took it apart and it no longer works because I bricked it, shorted something, or otherwise damaged it beyond my skill set to undo. My car is…

The perfect modern consumer/sucker... My car needed another key. The stealership quoted me >$400 for it. I took it as a personal insult and did the research and ordered an OBD device and also discovered you can order replacement keys on aliexpress, and they'll even cut them for you with a good picture of your existing key. It was actually a fun project and very satisfying when I was able to successfully program and l…

I needed a ford key, but only had a single key.

I bought a kit off of amazon "simple key" that included a programmer and a key with rfid chip. I think about $80.

You plugged the standalone dongle in the OBD2 port, did a procedure and it would take a few minutes and you would get an "original" key.

(The programmer said it was then locked to that VIN)

They key blank provided needed to get cut (did it at home depot).

I could then get additional rfid blanks for $7 and cut and program them.

Once you had two original keys, you could do the "DIY programming" method to make keys 3 and up.

The DIY method was something like "insert key 1, wait 3 seconds, remove, insert key 2 wait 3 seconds remove, insert new key, wait for something, remove" and you would get key 3, 4 ...

There were similar but separate ford procedures for programming the buttons on fobs to lock/unlock doors, etc

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by m463 »

flounder3 wrote: post #115
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

WiFi. Flip it on for an update, then leave it off. > do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? Yes.

can you leave it off? Tesla wifi can be turned OFF, but will flip to ON next time the car is used. same with bluetooth. deliberately promiscuous.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by m463 »

rmunn wrote: post #145
bri3d wrote: post #125

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WiFi is, err, still OTA, although it does answer the eSIM question. I assume the truly concerned/paranoid wouldn't want to connect to WiFi either, since presumably telemetry / tracking metadata could be uploaded at that time too.

Anyone concerned about preventing telemetry from being uploaded would probably also be concerned about taking it to the dealer for an update, though. Because how do you know the dealer won't just do an update by turning the car's e-SIM back on, then turning it off before giving the car back to you? Which would then allow the car to upload all the stored telemetry you're concerned about. (Note: generic "you" meaning "…

I read an article recently where there was a satellite outage and all porsche cars in the area would not start. They have some satellite based anti-theft system. (wonder what happens if your garage is shielded)

Personally, I wouldn't want this intrusive system (or telemetry).

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

slumberlust wrote: post #322
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #264

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Why do you think lane keeping assist is useful? Why do you think smart cruise control is useful? I can't tell if ABS is useful or not. My car has it but I've never used it.

If you've ever braked hard, you've used ABS. Its what let's you continue to steer under heavy braking. Previous generations were taught to pump the breaks for a similar (much less effective) effect. The fact that you've used it and don't know it proves your point. That's an example of good safety implementation.

I have never needed to brake hard enough for ABS to kick in, or at least not intentionally - I don't count wellying on it hard to seat new brake pads, for instance, nor do I count traction control coming in (which uses ABS) under load on loose slippy surfaces.

It's easy to tell when it does - it makes the same BRRRRRP noise it does during the ECU's startup self test from the valve block in the engine bay.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by m463 »

p_ing wrote: post #337
m463 wrote: post #331

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this does not work. I have a tesla wall charger. I never wanted to connect it to wifi, but it creates its own unique wifi access point TelsaWallConnector-blah-blah. so I thought - I'll just disconnect the antenna! nope, still shows up. so... I'll just wire the antenna it to a dummy load! nope, still shows up. It appears the wifi chipset has an on-board antenna and an external antenna connector and it uses them both.…

It works depending on the manufacturer. Honda places the TPU in the dash behind the head unit. Use some spudgers and you can disconnect and remove the TPU. Takes 15 minutes at most.

I was referring to cutting the antenna wires.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dripdry45 »

specialp wrote: post #199
UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #178

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I assure you that “old cars costing as much as new ones” isn’t the result of the market force of people reading contractual fine print and/or freaking out about telemetry. Concentric circles of echo chambers over here.

The main reason is more tangible to people. It is more reliability and simplicity. For instance the Toyota Tundra used to have a V8 that was pretty bomb proof. But over the years, manufacturers put in more efficient but more prone to problems turbocharged smaller engines. The bearing clearances went down, thinner oil then can be used which is also more efficient. But the margin for error when you are putting what use…

CVTs, yep. Needed a new vehicle and bought the final year before they switched to CVT. I can only hope that mess somehow sorts itself out eventually.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by willis936 »

slumberlust wrote: post #321
willis936 wrote: post #278

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I've reliably disconnected Toyotas and VWs by pulling the cell antenna connections from the telematics modules in the dash. The GPS antenna is separate and still aids in carplay navigation.

How did you confirm this? I believe you think you did it, but is there any way to confirm its not still sending via another module?

I have the service manual and can see there is only one telematics module in the car. It has two redundant LTE antennas and one GPS antenna going into the telematics module. The onstar calling works when the antennas are plugged in and doesn't when they're not. Can I confirm that they don't hide a bug somewhere in my car without stripping it down to the bone? No, but I'm not a schizo, so I won't bother.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by willis936 »

xp84 wrote: post #333
willis936 wrote: post #277

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Why do you trust the car companies more? The premise of this discussion is that they cannot be trusted to act in the user's interest.

Why? Well, The OnStar product has about a 30-year history of doing its main jobs flawlessly. Also, it's a paid product and their flagship product. We exchange our dollars for the product they provide. Simple. Unlike Apple where these are ancillary offerings way outside their core competency. And I'm OnStar have great margins, because it's basically an insurance product that most customers rarely if ever use. But it's…

Then it sounds like privacy reform is an existential issue to them. I look forward to them championing legislation.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

z3c0 wrote: post #116
giancarlostoro wrote: post #13

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Zed is one of the best editors I've ever seen, I always worried the mention of AI would put off people who are missing out on a truly amazing editor.

It did, verifiably here. Based on their own marketing, I thought it an alternative to Codex, not Codium. Knowledge of this setting has shifted my perspective considerably. edit: not enough to ditch Sublime, however.

I have not tried it, but there is "GRAM" as well. Which is a fork of Zed without any AI stuff. Not sure what's missing for you from ST but for me, I don't really see myself ever upgrading to ST4 or any future version, unless they come out with something worthwhile for ST5.

https://gram.liten.app/

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