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Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by dlahoda »

mvkel wrote: post #333

Cook is known to be monk-like, so the relative quiet of this announcement is no surprise. Hopefully Ternus takes some risks and revisits some things from scratch (the OS layer)[0] rather than continuing down the path of more service add-ons that Cook seemed to be excitedly geared up for. Personally, it's worth noting that Ternus did -not- directly oversee the Vision Pro, which is encouraging. [0] As Steve Jobs said i…

linux and windows are older.

and mac has ios, which with ipads goes desktopy. (capability based security)

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Post by jorvi »

toephu2 wrote: post #114
hei-lima wrote: post #77

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Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.

Google is much better at software than Apple...most in the Valley would agree with this.

Ah yes, the company that still can't their gesture and backswipe UX functioning properly 7 years after its introduction, and with Apple giving them 2 years to study it beforehand.

A decade to produce a non-functioning gesture bar / system. Such a titan among titans.

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Post by ericzawo »

necovek wrote: post #29
oofbaroomf wrote: post #6

Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.

I tend to disagree to a point: their laptops have great internals but are terrible from a usage perspective — I like to imagine their system board in a Thinkpad X1 Carbon chassis with native Linux! But HW is at least improving (eg. they added anti-reflective screen option), and SW is very much not.

They are leaps and bounds above any other laptop on the market. Who wants a plastic chasis and nub in 2026 over a modern Macbook Air.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by Affric »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #178
btown wrote: post #72

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Ternus recently gave an interview where he said this about the initial flop of Apple Maps: > “When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy,” said Ternus. “But the team had just been over the years just pushing and pushing and pushing. And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing. If you have the vision and you're persistent and you keep working at it, you can take something you know that…

“When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy…” And I know many engineers within Apple that had been testing Maps before it shipped and they were filing bugs about it. It shipped anyway.

I mean the problem was the Google contract, yeah?

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Post by jakeydus »

dpark wrote: post #197
JKCalhoun wrote: post #178

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“When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy…” And I know many engineers within Apple that had been testing Maps before it shipped and they were filing bugs about it. It shipped anyway.

> It shipped anyway. “Real artists ship” No product worth using is bug free.

No product is bug free. Are all products worth using?

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by ebbi »

simplyluke wrote: post #237
danielrhodes wrote: post #79

I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon. If you think about the last 15 years, Apple has really become the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values. Tech in general has changed quite a bit though. I don't know how Steve Jobs would have reacted to AI, and I don't know where tech itself would be if Jobs were still around. But I do think the next evolution is due and y…

I'd also add that from the perspective of an employee in the industry, Tim Cook has had a remarkably steady hand throughout multiple business cycles in the industry that have made Apple a much better place to work than many of the other very large tech companies: no massive over-hiring after covid, no massive layoffs to correct for that, average tenure at the company BLOWS other companies out of the water, a reputati…

Agree. With the cash balance that Apple has, CEO's usually get tempted to make moves that let them flex, but he was very disciplined in that sense.

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Post by Fr0styMatt88 »

nottorp wrote: post #126
Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #57

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This is actually one thing I think will be great as AI coding agents get better. Companies whose main expertise is hardware might start producing better software. There are so many little bugs in consumer-facing apps that hit the ‘sweet’ spot of being incredible little annoyances that just aren’t worth putting an engineer on for a week to fix, but which are totally worth having an engineer throw an agent onto them.

How? Coding agents are trained on every copy of every tutorial that skips error checking and implements the least resistance path.

I mean I would hope at least one person actually reviews the code before it goes out, but yeah we all know what hope does :)

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by comrade1234 »

Is this a reward for a job well-done? Because apple hardware for the last 5-years has been amazing. The software though has sucked - will it be more years of amazing hardware and shit software? In other words focusing on developers, especially of llm software? I'm fine with that. Maybe we'll get rack-mountable apple ai servers (joking - apple servers were great and lasted a decade+ but went nowhere)

Yeah, what's going on? I'm confused by this choice - I would have expected a marketer. Maybe they really are doubling down on hardware for the ai age?

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Post by gcau »

hei-lima wrote: post #77
Tyrubias wrote: post #23

Tim Cook’s experience in logistics built Apple into the global hegemon it is today. I hope John Ternus’s experience with hardware can kick off a renaissance in both Apple hardware and software design. Mind you, Apple hardware is already amazing, but hopefully it can be even better with Ternus at the helm. Apple software is terrible, and hopefully Ternus can turn that around. I’m also hoping, without any evidence, tha…

Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.

I find it hard to believe this comment isn't sarcastic. Apple's software, atleast in particular macos, is horrendous - to the point I ditched my m2 macbook for a thinkpad because of how bad it was. It's like a toy OS.

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Post by boringg »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #181
hei-lima wrote: post #77

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Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.

As a cross platform developer, MacOS is far buggier than Linux or Windows in my experience.

Huh, Windows?
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