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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by 3842056935870 »

s_dev wrote: post #135
_osud wrote: post #18

How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…

>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII whi…

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by Aldipower »

antievropean wrote: post #249
9dev wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no idea what you are talking about, really. We don’t "frequently" pass such laws. Nobody is accessing private messages, even if there have been such attempts. The EU has still the strongest privacy laws world wide, and in contrast to others a strong ethical foundation. It may be slow, it may be torn, it may be overly beaurocratic, but sure enough not authoritarian.

Two words: chat control

Defeated! (At least for now...)

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by commandlinefan »

darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

> avoid giving money

You're paying for any of these?

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by sodapopcan »

sobiolite wrote: post #5

I’m not with I could ever migrate away from Gmail, even if I wanted to. I have so many accounts and services linked to it.

I did it with tons of accounts and services linked. It's not anywhere as daunting as you'd think (and I thought). Although it seems you don't want to move away from it so I'm not sure what point your comment serves to make.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by mytailorisrich »

9dev wrote: post #161
aborsy wrote: post #153

Some of these European countries such as France are quite authoritarian. They frequently pass (update: propose/push for) laws to ban VPN and even social media, request access to private messages, etc. It seems to me the situation is equally bad in EU.

You have no idea what you are talking about, really. We don’t "frequently" pass such laws. Nobody is accessing private messages, even if there have been such attempts. The EU has still the strongest privacy laws world wide, and in contrast to others a strong ethical foundation. It may be slow, it may be torn, it may be overly beaurocratic, but sure enough not authoritarian.

France is routinely criticised for its police, justice system, and rule of law [1]. In general only the French believe that they are a shining beacon.

[1] https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/country/Fr...

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by teekert »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #207
teekert wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm, is it? I have some small repos there, which are private and for my company (ie the website). I didn't encounter any warnings? Edit, it says indeed (right in your face on the front page): Codeberg is a non-profit, community-led effort that provides services to free and open-source projects, such as Git hosting. I just click... click opened a repo and set it as remote and boom. Never thought anything of it... Perh…

You are just a glitch in their system. They won't check the content of private repos, and they probably also do not check if there is free software hosted at the same account, so you might have found the hole in their good will. But their limit seems around 100 MB storage-usage, so I guess it's within their abilities to tolerate some glitches.

Ah ok, well, save for some drafts I wouldn't mind opening the repo which is just a Hugo system intended for a public website anyway. But good to know. Perhaps I will self-host that forgejo instance then :)

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by Aldipower »

gradus_ad wrote: post #250
alexejb wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming your assessment is correct, how do you think this will affect the digital sector?

Capital flows to where it enjoys the greatest returns. That is not Europe, not now nor in any foreseeable future. There is no reason for a skilled professional interested in making money to go there.

You know, making money is not everything. Why should I be rich in a third-world country (the US).

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by crosa »

pelzatessa wrote: post #337

> I’ve always been a happy Mullvad customer. For 5 euros a month, I pay a Swedish company that has proven it doesn’t log any data How did they prove that? Is such proof even possible?

Start by the fact that in their system you are just a random number that is generated at the moment you arrive in their website. They make very easy to pay without having to use any of your personal data, like Credit Card. Overall I think if a company put so much effort on that side, they simply don't have any data to log, or if they do is pretty anonymous anyway :)

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by _osud »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #333
foldr wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be missing the ‘concerning’ part. Which specific cases are concerning? I don’t find it inherently concerning that people can’t escape justice by crossing the Hungarian border, Bonnie and Clyde style.

Too explicitly spell it out, op is saying here that if any one of the 27 countries in the EU decides you are breaking one of their laws, they can have 1 of the other 26 enforce an EIO.

Which would be perfectly fine if your local jurisdiction could still properly review those foreign requests.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Post by kgwxd »

Besticle wrote: post #244
darthcloud wrote: post #213

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

If you're going through all that effort why not migrate to open-source/self-hosted?

Email? The rest of your life will be spent wondering if anyone got your message or if you've missed something important.

Registrar, and search? Not possible.

Maps? Paper would be more practical.

Browser, done.

Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.

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