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Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
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Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have a 2020 Forester and I've come to describing it as "I no-longer drive on the highway, I manage the car." Sometimes I'll get nervous and take over. But even in stop-and-go traffic, it has behaved perfectly. I drive an old beater from 2001, but... I really don't think I understand why people want these in-between not-quite-autopilot features? To me it's like, it would be one thing if you could completely turn y…
Same. Even cruise control is kind of useless because people in front of you don't necessarily use it and are very inconsistent in their speed. So you end up constantly having to engage/disengage, rendering the whole thing moot. I think something like autopilot could be implemented at the infrastructure level (sensors and emitters along the road), but people wouldn't like that because it would mean being unable to set…
The base 2020 Forester has adaptive cruise control.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. There's a CA lawsuit against the FSD name, Tesla has to fix it by Feb 14th (the last day FSD is being sold). I wonder if it'll just be a rebrand for the new service. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/news-releases/d... 2. Elon's Trillion Dollar Payout is tied to a certain number of FSD Subscriptions. 3. Some consumers were sold that they would get hardware upgrades for FSD. I'm pretty sure Tesla would l…
>2. Elon's Trillion Dollar Payout is tied to a certain number of FSD Subscriptions. That wording is misleading because so far as I can tell, that payout is in tranches, and the FSD subscriptions milestone is only tied to one of the tranches. Therefore it's not as if 1 trillion dollars is riding on whether he gets enough FSD subscriptions, only 1/12th of that. https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001318605…
10 million FSD subscriptions is a really big number to achieve.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#344A new Tesla, without subscription, now has worse Steering Assist than a $22K Toyota Corolla. Back when Autopilot launched, in consumer cars, it was pretty unique. But the market has moved on significantly, and basic Steering Assist/Full-Speed-Range Automatic Cruise Control, are pretty universal features today.
Steering Assistance , please Let's not slaughter the language for the sake of a few letters.
Oh go speak some German
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 4. Subscriptions drive our economy, I don't know the details but it seems like every company wants subscriptions over one time purchases. Every person I know wants a subscription, too. Who wouldn’t want a nest egg throwing off passive income?
Just don't think about the long term economic effects of rent-seeking
With all the top heavy population age histograms around the world, the rent seeking is built into all the economies to provide benefits until it becomes too top heavy and revolution occurs.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#346My guess is Tesla is desperately in need of Q1 revenue and they want people to scarcity buy FSD lifetime @ $8K. Otherwise the strategy doesn’t make any sense. They’re saying FSD and basic Autopilot will go behind subscription and that subscription prices are expected to go up. Basically laying out that they’re planning to lock you into a subscription and then price gouge. It’s so transparent that I think the point is…
1. There's a CA lawsuit against the FSD name, Tesla has to fix it by Feb 14th (the last day FSD is being sold). I wonder if it'll just be a rebrand for the new service. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/news-releases/d... 2. Elon's Trillion Dollar Payout is tied to a certain number of FSD Subscriptions. 3. Some consumers were sold that they would get hardware upgrades for FSD. I'm pretty sure Tesla would l…
The subscription model seems to profit off of inertia/inaction/forgetfulness/laziness.
There's a whole app called rocket money to fight back against the subscription model by helping you find and cancel subs. I've never used it and don't plan to but it would be cool if it helped push back against the modern shift towards subscription-everything.
Although if we're talking about software or anything else that could easily be one-time/up-front or ongoing, then I guess there's a case to be made that monthly subscriptions let you try before you buy, like rental skis. In that sense they are user friendly.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, though, the subscription isn't for "Steering Assist", it's for FSD. You don't subscribe to the feature you have on your Corolla, you subscribe to an autonomous navigation solution. This is a pretty boneheaded business decision on Tesla's part. But their technology remains clearly superior.
To underscore this: the boneheaded decision Tesla is making is forcing customers to choose between a $99/mo subscription for FSD, and no ACC or lanekeeping assist otherwise . It's like letting people buy a subscription to the iPhone Pro Max 17 or not have any phone at all. By the way, FSD ("full self-driving") is just as inaccurately named as Autopilot. I don't know why Tesla can't call their technology, like, CyberD…
Autopilot is just cruise control/lane keep assist/slow down when the car ahead of you does.
It’s not close to FSD, Tesla wouldn’t call FSD as Auto pilot because auto pilots un the aircraft industry are pretty dumb (the first autopilot was literally a rope tied to the aircraft control stick). FSD used to be the expensive paid add on feature while autopilot was a more reasonably priced upgrade.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same. Even cruise control is kind of useless because people in front of you don't necessarily use it and are very inconsistent in their speed. So you end up constantly having to engage/disengage, rendering the whole thing moot. I think something like autopilot could be implemented at the infrastructure level (sensors and emitters along the road), but people wouldn't like that because it would mean being unable to set…
To your first point, that's what adaptive cruise control does. It will slow you down to maintain a gap with the car in front of you.
Ah yes, I never used that. My car isn't very recent (about 10 years old now), and I drive very little (about 2-3k per year; I take the train to go anywhere far) because I hate it.
But the adaptive part would make it much more useful indeed.
However, something that is extremely annoying in France is that speed limits tend to change very often and abruptly. I just think that trying to solve the problem solely at the car level is always going to have too many limitations...
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no monitor in the car. But there is a chase car with a monitor in it. Technically correct is the best kind isn't it?
Yes, correct. The next step will be remote monitors with the ability to drive if needed. That will be identical to Waymo I now. Then the next step is nobody watching. Progress is fantastic, it means more choices for consumers, lower prices, better tech.
No, actually, nobody remote drives a Waymo. If you don't know how Waymo works, you also don't know how far behind is Tesla. There are fundamental obstacles to Tesla ever being a viable robotaxi.
Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. There's a CA lawsuit against the FSD name, Tesla has to fix it by Feb 14th (the last day FSD is being sold). I wonder if it'll just be a rebrand for the new service. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/news-releases/d... 2. Elon's Trillion Dollar Payout is tied to a certain number of FSD Subscriptions. 3. Some consumers were sold that they would get hardware upgrades for FSD. I'm pretty sure Tesla would l…
The subscription model seems to profit off of inertia/inaction/forgetfulness/laziness. There's a whole app called rocket money to fight back against the subscription model by helping you find and cancel subs. I've never used it and don't plan to but it would be cool if it helped push back against the modern shift towards subscription-everything. Although if we're talking about software or anything else that could eas…
Rocket Money is an app designed for millennials to hand over their important banking information to Rocket Mortgage in exchange for "help cancelling subscriptions".