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We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by otikik »

freakynit wrote: post #153
cebert wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pay in India is still severely (seriously low, with 12-14+ hour workdays, even more than the 996 culture of China) low for most people. My employer outsources some work to Indian contractors. I know how much we are paying the contracting firm, which is low. Knowing the firm takes a cut before the contractors are paid, I feel terrible for how little they are compensated. I frequently wonder if we’d get better output…

Avoid middlemen in India.. sorry for the word, but they are the biggest leechers. We hate them too here. India is filled with small one-room service-based companies(the middlemens') that hire interns, for ZERO pay, make them work 12-14 hour days under extremely "humiliating" conditions and then when it comes to giving them internship completion certificate, they demand huge sums of money just to release them... think…

Don't apologize for saying "leech", man. That's part of the problem.

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Post by jeroenhd »

wojciii wrote: post #79

From https://curl.se/docs/code-of-conduct.html : "As contributors and maintainers of this project, we pledge to respect all people who contribute through reporting issues, posting feature requests, updating documentation, submitting pull requests or patches, and other activities" Why have a code of conduct while being hostile to contributors? I think they should handle this differently.

With the extra work that LLM slop has been causing to core maintainers, I think they're quite friendly. Hopefully the volume of the bullshit they receive goes down once they stop paying bug bounties. The people who got upset that their hacker alias got called out for submitting bullshit LLM slop got what they deserve.

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Post by ryukoposting »

ekidd wrote: post #104
nelox wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a real cross-cultural mismatch, but it’s doing too much work with nationality alone. In a lot of Indian (and broader South Asian) work contexts, questioning instructions can be read as challenging authority or admitting incompetence, so people default to executing without asking. That’s often reinforced by education systems and contractor dynamics where producing something quickly feels safer than pa…

Yeah, I agree, the time zones are killer , and this can't be ignored. I work at a company spread over most of the world, with SMEs coming and going as the globe spins. Back-and-forth iteration and consultation is a genuinely hard problem. Certain kinds of feedback cycles have a minimum latency of "overnight". Which means we need to invest heavily in good communication. But also, it means more people need to have the…

> Contractors on any continent are a whole different story.

Having spent the last ~7 years working for different startups before pivoting, my advice to any founder is this: do not hire overseas consultants. They're good, competent people, but you and your company do not have the tools or the culture to actualize them.

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Post by msephton »

TheDong wrote: post #204
jb1991 wrote: post #200

It sounds funny, but it's not. I once issued a bug to them that didn't have enough information about how to reproduce... and I was lambasted on Reddit and eventually just deleted my account there it was so terrifying. Some dev teams do not mess around. In fact I've shied off most social media since and no longer issue bug reports to any company, I was scarred deep over the treatment.

I've read their reports before. When there's not enough information to reproduce, they do a good job of asking for more information first, and I've never seen a reasonable good-faith report elicit anything overt. If you failed to give them proper reproduction information when asked, then yeah, you were wasting their time and they should rightfully close your issue. I've never seen anyone on the curl team undeservedly…

It says in the curl file that they will ridicule time-wasters in public and here is one pression confirming that it happened to them, yet somehow that's not enough? Come on.

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Post by lostlogin »

virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #296
leephillips wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got this so often in every part of the United States that some decades ago I just stopped asking anyone for directions.

I've never once experienced this nor literally ever heard anyone say someone gave them made-up directions in the US. The only time I've ever experienced made-up directions were trying to get out of the souk in Marrakech.

> I've never once experienced this nor literally ever heard anyone say someone gave them made-up directions in the US.

Wouldn’t know. After the first two instructions I can never remember what came next.

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Post by MBCook »

phyzome wrote: post #259
jb1991 wrote: post #200

It sounds funny, but it's not. I once issued a bug to them that didn't have enough information about how to reproduce... and I was lambasted on Reddit and eventually just deleted my account there it was so terrifying. Some dev teams do not mess around. In fact I've shied off most social media since and no longer issue bug reports to any company, I was scarred deep over the treatment.

That surprises me -- from what I've seen, Daniel is actually remarkably tolerant of incomplete/unclear reports. ( Too tolerant.) But I imagine that could depend on the day. (Now, if you used AI to generate the report, well... that's different. Especially if you didn't disclose it up front.)

On the flip side I’ve been following him for a while on Mastodon.

I’ve basically watched the AI crap cycle go from “this is a weird report, oh it’s fake” to “all the reports are trash, it’s so hard to find real humans in the flood” through his posts.

I suspect I would’ve stepped down long ago. I feel so bad for the open source maintainers who are just being assaulted with nonsense.

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Post by stronglikedan »

causalscience wrote: post #44
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

> Is this cultural?

In my experience, yes, but I hope that's just my personal experience over the past 20 years.

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Post by Qem »

causalscience wrote: post #44
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

> Is this cultural?

https://burakpsych.weebly.com/uploads/5/6/0/6/56066915/ethni...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_distance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstede%27s_cultural_dimensio...

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