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Re: Apps SDK

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Post by whstl »

Schiendelman wrote: post #339
whstl wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same, but Airline and big hotel websites have way too many dark patterns made to confuse the user and force them to pay extra. Booking an emergency flight last time I had a family issue was a mind-fucking experience. I had to go through 10 screens trying to sell me stuff and constantly hiding the skip button in different places. Maybe HN will say that I "shouldn't have had a family emergency in the first p…

Ah, yeah. I assume from this comment you aren't in either US or EU, the only places this is better. It sucks.

That's the crazy part: I'm in the EU, where it's supposed to be better.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by brazukadev »

ed wrote: post #220

Anyone able to get this to work? Lots of folks (myself included) are reporting it doesn't: https://github.com/openai/openai-apps-sdk-examples/issues/1

Everything openai releases never work in the first days/weeks/ever. We won't be replaced by AI anytime soon.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by brazukadev »

jampa wrote: post #90
siva7 wrote: post #58

This feels like a fever dream. As a developer everything changes every week. A new model, a new tool, a new sdk, paradigm we have to learn. I'm getting tired of all that shit.

As a JS developer for over 10 years who has seen multiple hype waves, here is my advice: You don't need to ride the first wave. You can wait until technology matures and see if it has staying power. For example, React and TypeScript were hard to set up initially. I deferred learning them for years until the tooling improved and they were clearly here to stay. Likewise, I'm glad I didn't dive into tech like LangChain…

10 years ago React was actually much simpler and easier (and faster) than today

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by brazukadev »

apwell23 wrote: post #48
consumer451 wrote: post #45

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What is the superior way for an LLM to interact with your product?

llm can call my existing apis fine. curious what kind of problems you are running to with your existing apis?

Tool calling is one of at least 5 core features of MCP

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by Noe2097 »

mhl47 wrote: post #12

There was a recent post here about how deeply ingrained the chat interface is in OpenAIs organization. This really doubles down on that, but does anyone really like to interact with so much language instead of visual elements? Also feels horrible that you are supposed to remember a bunch of app names like "zillow" and punch them in the chat. And like an opportunity for them to slowly introduce ads for this apps or "p…

Talking about monetization strategy, there is a world where we would not have to remember "Zillow" or "Spotify", and instead ask for real state or music related actions, and have OpenAI "decide" for us what is "the best" options... As in "the option that paid the most to get promoted".

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by raducu »

munk-a wrote: post #125
derekcheng08 wrote: post #106

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I suspect there are many, many things for which chat is a great interface. And by positioning ChatGPT as the distributor for all these things, they get to be the new Google. But you're also right that many domains for which a purpose-built interface is the right approach, and if the domain is valuable enough, it'll have someone coming after it to build that.

I have yet to see a chat agent deployed that is more popular than tailored browsing methods. The most charitable way to explain this is that the tailored browsing methods already in place are the results of years of careful design and battle testing and that the chat agent is providing most of the value that a tailored browsing method would but without any of the investment required to bring a traditional UX to fruit…

> I have yet to see a chat agent deployed that is more popular than tailored browsing methods.

Not an agent, but I've seen people choose doctors based on asking ChatGpt for criteria and the did make those appointments. Saved them countless web interfaces to dig through.

ChatGpt saved me so much money by searching for discount coupons on courses.

It even offered free entrance passwords on events I didn't know had such a thing (I asked it where the event was and it also told me the free entrance password it found on some obscure site).

I've seen doctors use ChatGpt to generate medical letters -- Chat Gpt used some medical letters python code and the doctors loved the result.

I've used ChatGpt to trim an energy bill to 10 pages because my current provider generated a 12 page bill in an attempt to prevent me from switching (because they knew the other provider did not accept bills of more than 10 pages).

Combined with how incredibly good codex is, combined with how easily chat gpt can just create throw away one-time apps, no way the whole agent interface doesn't eat a huge chunk of the traditional UX software we are used to.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by shantara »

whstl wrote: post #335
ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being…

I feel the same, but Airline and big hotel websites have way too many dark patterns made to confuse the user and force them to pay extra. Booking an emergency flight last time I had a family issue was a mind-fucking experience. I had to go through 10 screens trying to sell me stuff and constantly hiding the skip button in different places. Maybe HN will say that I "shouldn't have had a family emergency in the first p…

I’m with you. My elderly parents always ask me to book a ticket for them every time they need to fly because the airline websites are so full of dark patterns, it drives them anxious that they’ve missed something or spent money on something they don’t need.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by Doohickey-d »

dworks wrote: post #252
darajava wrote: post #171

I don't understand, what could be built with this platform that wouldn't be made obsolete by conceivable updates to ChatGPT? Another commenter suggested a hotel search function: > Find me hotels in Capetown that have a pool by the beach .Should cost between 200 dollars to 800 dollars a night ChatGPT can already do this. Similarly, their own pizza lookup example seems like it would exist or nearly exist with current f…

> Find me hotels in Capetown that have a pool by the beach .Should cost between 200 dollars to 800 dollars a night I built this 18 months ago at an OTA platform. We parse the query and identify which terms are locations, which are hotel features, which are room amenities etc. Then we apply those filters (we have thousands of attributes that can be filtered on, but cannot display all of them in the UI) and display the…

We built something like this too (in a different field), but it's actually quit hard to deal with all the edge cases that people might want to search for:

e.g. if the user asks "Find hotels in Capetown [...] that have availability for this christmas or new year": if your backend, or the response format that you're forcing the LLM to give, doesn't have the ability to do an OR on the date range, you can't give results that the user wants, so the LLM tries to do as best it can, and the user ends up getting only hotels which are available for both Christmas and new year (thus missing some that have availability for one or the other), or the LLM does some other unwanted thing. For us, users would even ask "June or August", and then got July included because that was the closest thing the backend / UI could do.

So this approach is actually less flexible than a chat interface, where the LLM can figure out "Ah, I need to do two separate hotel search MCP calls, and then merge the results to not show the same hotel twice".

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by mightymosquito »

I really think this is Open AIs opening the eco system moment which is equivalent to google opening up Android or facebook allowing gaming platforms like zynga to grow on their platform.

To me it seems like a strategic shift from pure AI research and the AGI snake oil to other supposed tangible stuff.

In short, the AI revolution is mostly over, and we seem to be back in the realm of software.

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