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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by ACCount37 »

kulahan wrote: post #183
harrisoned wrote: post #179

> At present the project is focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as they cover the vast majority of users and real-world use cases. (..) Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale. At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is inc…

I do find it interesting that in an attempt to bring more people into modern society (via ability to access everything from an inexpensive smartphone), we're creating a stratification in society. My brother hates tech more than me, and only has an old flip phone. I'm always surprised by the random problems he runs into as a result. Unresponsive desktop sites that beg you to download apps are the worst.

"Mandatory app" is an anti-accessibility anti-feature.

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Post by userbinator »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #66

Well, in the end there may only be one thing left we can collectively do, but which we surely won't collectively do, because too many of us are way too comfortable to accept any discomforts: We can avoid using services implementing shit, so that any business that singles out desktop users or disadvantages them, doesn't have much of a customer base. Voting with out feet. I have very little hope, that the common user w…

How to make the normal person aware and interested in their own digital rights.

Start a revolutionary, reactionary movement. Many people wonder how the current US president was elected. Regardless what your political stance is, it's good evidence that if you can recruit a huge number of followers in your agenda (and in the process, likely make nearly as many opponents), and have them repeat your "propaganda" as much as possible, you can do anything. That's how you can defeat Big Tech.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by userbinator »

afandian wrote: post #33
kome wrote: post #14

so a smartphone is required by law? that's fucked up

No! Only required if you want to participate in society. And what gets me is that it's not just 'you need a phone', it's 'you need a Google or Apple account'.

Participate in a society, to be precise; at least in the US, the Amish seem to have created their own.

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Post by cycomanic »

okanat wrote: post #301
johnisgood wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which banks? Which country? How do they check and enforce iPhone / Google wrt. 2FA? Are you referring to TOTP as 2FA?

All banks are required to have "safe" 2FA in the EU by EU regulation. SMS is banned. Most banks in Germany, Austria and Portugal default to Play Store or App Store apps with OS integrity checks. It seems like the Nordic countries have it a bit better with the ID reader apps. There are sometimes alternatives and some of them require paid subscription. The apps they require are proprietary. They are not generic TOTP ge…

> Most banks in Germany, Austria and Portugal default to Play Store or App Store apps with OS integrity checks. It seems like the Nordic countries have it a bit better with the ID reader apps. There are sometimes alternatives and some of them require paid subscription.

Most banks? Do you have evidence? AFAIK many (and certainly the most used) German banks (Sparkasse, Commerzbank, Hypovereinsbank) allow chiptan which does not require a smartphone.

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Post by fn-mote »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #325
BeFlatXIII wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope the push for verification leads to the normies learning the ways of identity theft. The fun really ramps up once they figure out free money tricks.

Normies don't use desktop computers.

I am pretty sure that the point is that the "normies" are going to be getting their identities stolen in order for others to pass the age verification.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by tmtvl »

If a service is only available through an app from either the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store then use of that service is dependent on acceptance of either Alphabet's Terms Of Service, or worse, Apple's TOS. Considering these two organisations play fast and loose with universal human rights and have been fined multiple times for consumer-hostile behaviour... well, I'd say that consumer protection organisations should really do something about this.

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Post by jmclnx »

irusensei wrote: post #307
jmclnx wrote: post #17

Lets pretend the EU would mandate Desktop Support, we all know it will be only applied to Windows and Apple. Maybe for Linux, BSD it will never be applied. In anycase we all know ways of bypassing this age verification will be found, probably by the kids themselves. But all this will do is enable US big tech, killing the very EU based companies the EU has been crying about for years. Meta, Twitter, Google and M/S cou…

Kids will bypass any verification by secretly using an adult ID or just straight away asking them to do it. Hell the crazy things I used to do to connect to the internet after my mother went to sleep. She didn't wanted me using the internet because of phone charges so I secretly got into the roof to strip the phone wire bare and connect my own hidden cable that I would unroll and route it to my room to connect to my…

>Did my life got ruined by this? Well I'm an IT engineer

Seeing you were on dialup, how board where you on dec 31, 1999?

Me, I was up watching the systems work great, missing all the cool parties guzzling caffeine for 3 days. But it made managers happy for me to be there. If I tried that now, I would end up in the grave.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by tmtvl »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #107
snickerdoodle14 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can I do this when I don't have a phone?

Don't you people have phones? Edit: Sorry that reference was a deep cut, I was quoting the devs of that awful Diablo mobile game way back.

Was it Diablo? I thought it was Dungeon Keeper.

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Post by wkat4242 »

throwaway287391 wrote: post #324
wkat4242 wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't need to be by email. They can simply show it in the mobile website. But they refuse to do so in order to get all that data which they can sell. In a mobile app it's way harder to run ad blockers and much easier to sneakily collect information on the user. Especially on android which is by far the biggest OS in the countries where Ryanair operates.

I really doubt it's that, as opposed to the maintenance cost of an extra flow to a boarding pass. Or perhaps just a perceived complexity/annoyance cost when something breaks in the desktop flow here and there. I'd think it's only maybe 5-10% of customers at most who both use desktop over mobile to get their boarding pass and use an ad-blocker on desktop. And honestly I don't remember ever seeing an ad (even on Ryanai…

It's not the ads on their site/app but the data they can sell to ad brokers like Google. Remember an adblocker also blocks trackers.

And even without adblockers a mobile app can gather much more data on you than a website can.

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