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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by nerdjon »

whimsicalism wrote: post #209
nerdjon wrote: post #114

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Apple has to balance it, clearly investors want to shove AI into everything but most users simply don't care or want to be reminded its "AI" every moment. Apple has to walk the line between both of these groups. You are right about investors, but how many of those investors have also funded and continue to push for vaporware products and features? We have seen this many many times over the last couple of years. So I…

users have been actively propagandized by the media against ‘AI’ but will probably find it useful in the cases where they use it

Your second part is technically correct since users have benefited from applications of ML of many years without throwing it being "ML" in their face because it wasnt as much of a marketing term as it is now.

Your first part, not true however. Many people are concerned, see the issues with it, and are frustrated and distrust it even more when someone so clearly tries to discount any concerns, fears, or just dislike of it.

Fact is, most users don't care about the underlying technology. Most users did not need "AI" shoved in their face to enable many of the ML workflows that we are currently seeing rolled out.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by acdha »

whimsicalism wrote: post #209
nerdjon wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has to balance it, clearly investors want to shove AI into everything but most users simply don't care or want to be reminded its "AI" every moment. Apple has to walk the line between both of these groups. You are right about investors, but how many of those investors have also funded and continue to push for vaporware products and features? We have seen this many many times over the last couple of years. So I…

users have been actively propagandized by the media against ‘AI’ but will probably find it useful in the cases where they use it

That’s too big a claim to assert without support: there isn’t a monolithic “the media” and “propaganda” implies deceptiveness along with coordination, and it’s hard to reconcile any of that with the positive coverage from many outlets for years, not to mention that some of them have been experimenting with it themselves.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by falcor84 »

dylan604 wrote: post #340
falcor84 wrote: post #336

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I didn't imply a yes/no; based on TFA, I assume that they used a 5-point scale, with the middle option being phrased something like "somewhat valuable", and there being two more positive ones. TFA is critically lacking in both the survey details and what other features got on similar surveys.

This is the point. There's not enough information to make any kind of claims by subtracting available numbers from 100 and concluding anything with the remainder.

Indeed. My take is that there's just not enough context in TFA to conclude anything whatsoever.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by jrflowers »

mukunda_johnson wrote: post #116
ARandumGuy wrote: post #23

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What I don't understand is, what benefit is there for 99% of companies to get in on the ground floor of LLMs? If you're not developing your own model, you're effectively just beta testing someone else's model. And if the sales pitch of LLMs being able to do basically anything comes true, wouldn't most companies still get the same benefit if they just wait? It seems like a lot of companies are so terrified of missing…

I said the same thing to a previous company before I was let go. Confused why they were butchering their business strategy in favor of a gold rush. The main benefit of LLMs was already abundantly clear: literally just chat with it in day to day work when you can. Ask it questions about accounting, other domains it knows, etc. That's like up to 10-20% performance increase on tasks if you align OK. Still, they were in…

> The main benefit of LLMs was already abundantly clear: literally just chat with it

“It is valuable because you can talk to it” is the same idea that drove a tidal wave of sales for Furby in 1998

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by mrtranscendence »

llm_nerd wrote: post #257
mrtranscendence wrote: post #237

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I suspect you're overstating the degree to which an LLM might be unsuitable for some types of work. For example, I'm a data scientist who works primarily in the field of sales forecasting. I've found that LLMs are quite poor at this task, frequently providing answers that are inappropriate, misleading, or simply not a good fit for the data we're working with. In general I've found very limited use in engaging LLMs in…

I would never recommend an LLM for sales forecasting. It's just the wrong tool for that job.

You seem to readily agree that my use case is inappropriate for LLMs, but not ToucanLoucan?

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by Sparyjerry »

I don't see how AI became a paying app on the consumer side. Copilot should have been included with Microsoft for free with some limit to block abusers or a way to upgrade for business processes. Absolutely zero people I know want to pay anything at all for a platform to rewrite an e-mail now and then.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by llm_nerd »

mrtranscendence wrote: post #345
llm_nerd wrote: post #257

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I would never recommend an LLM for sales forecasting. It's just the wrong tool for that job.

You seem to readily agree that my use case is inappropriate for LLMs, but not ToucanLoucan?

Zero LLMs have been trained on doing sales forecasting to my knowledge (and it isn't the right use regardless). In contrast, many LLMs have been trained on enormous quantities of code, coding languages and platforms and uses. Billions and billions of lines of code covering just about every sort of project. Millions of projects.

If someone says "Well my software dev project is too unique and novel and they are therefore of no value to me, but I understand it works for those simple folk with their simple needs", there is an overwhelming probability they are...misinformed.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by mrtranscendence »

pxmpxm wrote: post #291
BrandiATMuhkuh wrote: post #41

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Sorry to hear about what is happening in your family. I think your perspective is spot on. VUI (voice user interfaces) will absolutely change the way we interact with computers. After all, talking comes naturally to humans. The digit divide (old people, very young people, illiterate) still exists. And will likely get bigger if VUIs don't get wide spread adoption.

> Sorry to hear about what is happening in your family. Non-sequitur, but I cannot be the only person to find this sort performative empathy odd/out of place in this the context of HID accessiblity discussion.

You sound like a fun guy.

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Post by _heimdall »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #66
_heimdall wrote: post #19

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> We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work Unless you work at Microsoft, that's really interesting to me. Can't say I've ever experienced a boss pushing for me to use a certain developer tool.

It's pretty common in large orgs, I think. Someone gets sold on or just excited about the features claimed by a particular product and becomes the czar for that thing. They want to make the transition to that product successful for their own career reasons. If people aren't using it, then the purchase was a bad move, so people start getting pressured to use the product regardless of how useful it is. Year ago, my com…

I get it more for communication tools. I'm surprised to hear Copilot being pushed as it really is just a DX tool. My product is my code, maybe Copilot helps me but the boss should only care about the work getting done.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by xvector »

bangaroo wrote: post #218

Apple Intelligence is kind of uniquely bad. I don't understand how, but its AI message summaries often completely flip the meaning of texts I've received. I've gotten summaries that say "X person hates Y" and I read the message and it's them talking about how much they love it. It is impressively, wildly inaccurate. It confuses things like people's names and the messages they're sending and sometimes will paraphrase…

Agree, I'm hugely bullish on AI but this implementation is just so fucking bad. The Apple execs involved should feel a deep sense of shame and incompetence. What a joke. The Siri org leaders have proven to the world, time and time again, that they can't get anything right.
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