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I'm pretty aware of how inept our government is at these policies, and their surveillance state tendencies (eg undisclosed facial recognition testing at flinder street station). But at this point i think a malicious australian government is less of a threat to the public and our way of life and emotional prosperity than social media.
The Australian Government has been hacked repeatedly, including the time Centrelink was hacked and they didn't even know they had been infiltrated (and attempted to cover it up). Not to mention their KYC regulations led to the Optus disaster, by forcing telecoms to store PII longer than necessary. Your position is that everyone in Australia should have their PII exposed because parental responsibility belongs with th…
US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19
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#342This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…
The fact that people like you vote is one of the things that make me incredibly pessimistic about our future.
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#343This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…
The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…
> how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things
A huge majority, but it's not necessary as demonstrated by the ones like me that learned things as a teenager without "online" being a thing yet. Well, there were BBSes for the ones that had access to them, but they were pretty niche. We had books and monthly magazines. It was enough to bootstrap the 90s and people before us had even less and nevertheless they bootstrapped us.
The real concern is the differential between the have and the have nots. Probably lacking TikTok will have an almost zero effect because what's there will be replaced by the same things on a different platform. If a country should ever go offline and revert to books, which are out of date at the date of printing and more so every day after then, that would be a problem.
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#344Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp
60% of Bytedance is owned by American investors https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/technology/tiktok-investo... > Susquehanna, a global trading firm, first invested in ByteDance in 2012 and now owns roughly 15 percent of the company, a person familiar with the investment said. The Chinese arm of Sequoia Capital, a Silicon Valley venture capital firm, invested in ByteDance in 2014 when it was valued at $500 million. S…
I have been assuming that the ownership is in the Cayman company and it is analogous to the situation with VIEs.
The ownership would have no votes on controlling the company but only ownership for hypothetical dividends on profit from the cayman shell. If anybody knows otherwise please elucidate us.
Oddly enough Snapchat IPOd with stocks with zero control as well.
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So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.
China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.
I'm sick of this being repeated over and over until it becomes true.
We have had multiple studies at this point and not a single one concluded that there's any kind of particular manipulation on Tik Tok. Not one. They all conclude that the bias is not different from other platforms.
HBO run a segment on the ban and goes a bit more in depth:
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Please explain its first day then if you want to make that case.
> explain its first day In the beginning The Elders of the Internet created the Server and Terminals, and pipes that interconnects them And the online community was without form, and void; and illegal/cp/terror/financing/harmful darkness was upon the face of the deep And the Spirit of State censorship moved upon the face of the waters And the State said, Let there be right: and there were rights and wrongs And the St…
Nice diversion from the history of Great Firewall and very specific question about what happened on its first day—what was banned specifically, and what the stated basis for the ban was.
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My hope is that maybe people will stop viewing life from such a productised and artificial lens that's so far removed from the natural human experience.
you are hoping wrong then, tiktok block will only exacerbates this. Coincidence: in portuguese tolo means fool
> Coincidence: in portuguese tolo means fool
The swipe in your response was totally unnecessary.
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#348So Tiktok becomes a webapp right?
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Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.
Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.
> Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not.
My take is that the elite was shocked the American youth is vaning in their Israel support and that they want algorithmic feeds that are sionist. Simple as that.
Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19
#350This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…
Why are you optimist? Does facebook and google doing the exact same thing harm you any less?