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Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by caseyy »

jdietrich wrote: post #286
medion wrote: post #265

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Sigh. Sometimes you don’t need 10 peer reviewed articles to just know when something is bad. Were you the guy in the 60s saying smoking was totally fine because studies? Sometimes you just know inhaling smoke everyday is probably not good for you. Smart phones for kids is not good. It’s really simple.

We had a mountain of data to show that smoking causes cancer by the 1950s, the industry just spent a lot of money on lobbying and PR to obfuscate it. Same with asbestos and most of the other examples people point to. We don't have that data for smartphones. It's an extremely mixed picture, showing both benefits and harms. As far as we can tell, the association between smartphone use and poor mental health is strongly…

> the industry just spent a lot of money on lobbying and PR to obfuscate it

> It's an extremely mixed picture, showing both benefits and harms

So... you're saying it's similar.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by [deleted] »

standardUser wrote: post #198

I don't think American society has been served well by our tradition of trying to confine children to a pretend kid's world and excluding them from the actual world their going to have to contend with. Our drinking culture is awful, our children are routinely barred from "adult" spaces which keeps them away from adult culture and socialization, we treat nudity and sex like some kind of crime to the point where we're…

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Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by parasubvert »

medion wrote: post #334
parasubvert wrote: post #275

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Yes, you do. I fundamentally disagree with you and don’t think you have reliable evidence to back up this claim. This reads like the pseudoscientists that are convinced aspartame causes cancer.

Sounds like contrarian nerdism to me.

Or a parent that's tired of the alarmism and peer pressure to parent a certain way, like abstinence pledges? The whole premise of these sorts of campaigns are based on flimsy evidence.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by throwoutway »

gwbas1c wrote: post #314
medion wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Sometimes you don’t need 10 peer reviewed articles to just know when something is bad. Were you the guy in the 60s saying smoking was totally fine because studies? Sometimes you just know inhaling smoke everyday is probably not good for you. Smart phones for kids is not good. It’s really simple.

> Smart phones for kids is not good. It’s really simple. The shape of the computer doesn't magically make it bad: It's what kids do that's the problem. We took our kids tablets away because they weren't disengaging. But that's because they were into Youtube, which is highly addictive. If they were just using the tablets as e-readers, it would be a different story.

How many kids use it for non-addictive purposes and put it away after an hour of use without raising trouble when it's taken away?

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by ngai_aku »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #42
zetazzed wrote: post #13

I'm still surprised the "dumb phone for kids" and "dumb watch with basic comms" markets are so underdeveloped (from my perspective). I would love my kids to have (a) gps tracking, (b) ability to send texts/calls to like 5 predefined numbers, (c) tell the time, and nothing else. But watches all seem to have games or weird gamified fitness trackers (Google's new fitbit for kids). Or they are super kid-ish, like bright…

I got my child an AppleWatch SE (a few years ago), which yeah, technically has a bunch of apps but they're not really useful or of interest to them, and if they don't have social media accounts (which mine don't), then it acts as a phone and locater without all the rest. On the downside they kept begging for a phone so they could text their friends, which was reasonable, and texting on the Watch is a terrible experie…

Do you have a Mac at home? I wonder if a middle ground could have been reached by providing space and time for iMessage on the computer. It would be like the old IM days!

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by valval »

OccamsMirror wrote: post #272
valval wrote: post #255

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Your comment reads a bit silly to me. It’s like your child has control over this situation instead of you, and you’re trying your hardest to negotiate a good position for yourself. If your child doesn’t use the phone in the way you want them to, you could take the phone away.

Do you have children yourself?

I have one child who is not yet of relevant age.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by ahnick »

jb1991 wrote: post #339
ahnick wrote: post #148

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Please provide links to the "plenty of evidence that smartphones are hurting kids".

It comes up all the time in the news, studies on the affect of smartphones on childhood depression and anxiety.

And everything I've ever delved deep into how the studies were conducted, what were the real conclusions drawn, the type of content being shown, etc. never leads to what the news would have you conclude. It's basically a terrible game of telephone where parents just end up getting fear mongered into limiting device time to 2 hours a day because someone said so. Utter nonsense.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by scoot »

fsckboy wrote: post #224
great_wubwub wrote: post #220

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If November 1st is a Monday then the first Tuesday after that is the first Tuesday of the month.

yes, or to put it another way, it's the first Tuesday of the month unless the first Tuesday is November 1st, then it's the second Tuesday, November 8th pointing it out because it's always the first Tuesday unless that 1 out of 7 where you have to wait a week -1 for the first Monday. I think the reasoning is something like "we need to have a full business day in November before we have an election, that will give us a…

Got it now. Yes, I was missing something (obvious).
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