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Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by grugagag »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #209
grugagag wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clickbait is always to sell you something, this is the opposite. But I think the ambiguity helps, it’s not a specific cutoff date that is important but delaying the inevitable. Smartphone use at that age could bad, I’m thinking scammers paradise type of bad but with a different context. Middleschoolers aren’t scams targets but are perfect for being primed with nefarious things, think crypto and nfts, porn, gambling,…

Clickbait is always to sell you something, Where did you get this idea? People put something on the internet and they want attention and engagement. Then people use click bait to get people to look at something because they are curious or confused instead of knowing what it is from the title.

They sell you attention to something you didn’t expect. Click and bait says it all. In this case it’s something benefic, not selling you a device or service to help you in advertised ways. It’s just campaign to get kids away form smartphone and social media harm. I would not classify this as clickbait or self promotion. When you have kids you’ll think this more deeply and escape the knee jerk reaction that I don’t condemn at all. The web is mostly clickbait for self promotion.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by JaggedNZ »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #188
zetazzed wrote: post #13

I'm still surprised the "dumb phone for kids" and "dumb watch with basic comms" markets are so underdeveloped (from my perspective). I would love my kids to have (a) gps tracking, (b) ability to send texts/calls to like 5 predefined numbers, (c) tell the time, and nothing else. But watches all seem to have games or weird gamified fitness trackers (Google's new fitbit for kids). Or they are super kid-ish, like bright…

I think the problem is it's not a defensible business because there's little barrier to entry to create an Android watch with less features. Every carrier has their own dumb, minimal smart watches, but I'm sure most of them suck because the product management is probably outsourced. Essential features and nonfunctional requirements: - Calendar, time and date, alarms and reminders - IP67 - Ruby or gorilla glass screen…

Samsung has partnered with Safesurfer in NZ to create a "kid safe" social media free version of the Galaxy A15 and A25. Not a samsung / android fan tbh.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by fsckboy »

great_wubwub wrote: post #220
scoot wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the second Tuesday of November, or am I missing an exception?

If November 1st is a Monday then the first Tuesday after that is the first Tuesday of the month.

yes, or to put it another way, it's the first Tuesday of the month unless the first Tuesday is November 1st, then it's the second Tuesday, November 8th

pointing it out because it's always the first Tuesday unless that 1 out of 7 where you have to wait a week -1 for the first Monday.

I think the reasoning is something like "we need to have a full business day in November before we have an election, that will give us a chance to fix problems or something"... not sure if under the old county/shire system months made a difference or something.

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Post by Izkata »

lairv wrote: post #36
zetazzed wrote: post #13

I'm still surprised the "dumb phone for kids" and "dumb watch with basic comms" markets are so underdeveloped (from my perspective). I would love my kids to have (a) gps tracking, (b) ability to send texts/calls to like 5 predefined numbers, (c) tell the time, and nothing else. But watches all seem to have games or weird gamified fitness trackers (Google's new fitbit for kids). Or they are super kid-ish, like bright…

Everyone has a different threshold for what they want from a dumb phone, some wants Google Maps, some think Youtube is ok, Google Chrome etc. which makes it hard to have a one true dumb phone. If you give access to the play store it's no longer a dumb phone The best way to have a dumb phone tailored to your needs is to take a cheap smartphone and make it dumb, either by using a different launcher, or a customized OS…

> some wants Google Maps

There was a Java ME version of Google Maps. I had it on my flip-phone in 2006/2007.

I doubt it still exists, though.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by CyberDildonics »

grugagag wrote: post #221
CyberDildonics wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clickbait is always to sell you something, Where did you get this idea? People put something on the internet and they want attention and engagement. Then people use click bait to get people to look at something because they are curious or confused instead of knowing what it is from the title.

They sell you attention to something you didn’t expect. Click and bait says it all. In this case it’s something benefic, not selling you a device or service to help you in advertised ways. It’s just campaign to get kids away form smartphone and social media harm. I would not classify this as clickbait or self promotion. When you have kids you’ll think this more deeply and escape the knee jerk reaction that I don’t co…

In this case it’s something benefic,

Not sure what this means.

not selling you a device or service to help you in advertised ways

Again, click bait means getting you to click on something in ways other than telling you what the article is about. Anything published on the internet wants readers. I don't know where you got the idea that 'clickbait' only applies to direct advertisements, but you should move past that.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by simplyluke »

legitster wrote: post #121

Parent here. This is a LOT easier today than it was 5-10 years ago. It feels like there's been a generation divide where younger kids are not as insistent on smartphones as the older kids were. Maybe it was covid. But also there's a lot of negative sentiment even amongst kids about smartphones - that they are addictive, encourage anti-social behaviors, and enable bullying. "Brain-rot". Our local school district banne…

I'm 26, so now a decade removed from the relevant age bracket here, but was one of the first waves to hit high school with a majority of students having smartphones.

There's been a palpable shift in peers (and myself) post-pandemic with regards to phones and social media in particular. A lot more emphasis being placed on being present in person and a lot more skepticism across the board towards phones/social media. Peers are starting to have kids and almost none of them are posting pictures of their kids and when it's come up in conversation they're doing everything they can to delay ipads/smartphones.

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Post by troupe »

fsckboy wrote: post #109
diputsmonro wrote: post #72

I know the site clarifies it, but the headline messaging on this is meaninglessly confusing. "Wait until 8th!" "Oh, you mean their 8th birthday?" "No, 8th grade!" "Oh, so wait until they're in 8th grade, got it!" "No no, until the end of the 8th grade, when they graduate middle school!" "Oh, so it's really wait until 9th" Just seems like this would be the beginning of every conversation and lead to a non-unified appr…

till I read it, i thought it meant the 8th of November,† and I was thinking "does this have something to do with the election?" I was a little afraid to click "take the pledge" for fear of what I might be supporting † obscure trivial point of US law for fer'ners, US elections are held on "the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November" which puts them anywhere from Nov 2 to Nov 8, so that's why "wait till the 8…

I initially thought it was saying we should not expect to have the results of the election sorted out until the 8th.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by grugagag »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #226
grugagag wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They sell you attention to something you didn’t expect. Click and bait says it all. In this case it’s something benefic, not selling you a device or service to help you in advertised ways. It’s just campaign to get kids away form smartphone and social media harm. I would not classify this as clickbait or self promotion. When you have kids you’ll think this more deeply and escape the knee jerk reaction that I don’t co…

In this case it’s something benefic, Not sure what this means. not selling you a device or service to help you in advertised ways Again, click bait means getting you to click on something in ways other than telling you what the article is about. Anything published on the internet wants readers. I don't know where you got the idea that 'clickbait' only applies to direct advertisements, but you should move past that.

If keeping kids away from harm doesn’t mean anything to you then I can’t help you. But you probably don’t have kids or know anyone with kids nor you care.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by [deleted] »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #87
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #64

If we've built something harmful here, why are we only protecting the kids from it? There's got to be a way to handle this more directly.

Fair point, but there are a couple of reasons why we would only apply this to kids. First, something can be harmful to children and not to adults. Second, even if smartphones are harmful to adults, for better or for worse we let adults ruin themselves. It's a necessary condition of freedom, that you have the ability to make bad choices as well as good.

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