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Everybody is selling something, especially graffiti artists. You just aren't the target demographic.
What are they selling
Usually their personal brand or gang affiliation.
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I'm not thinking that I'm on some side or defending some class. As you said, I'm part of the community, the public. Why should the right to have wall painted override the right to have the wall as it is? I'm betting most would want it without graffitis, but apparently one person can decide themselves how it should look. It's a simple conflict of opposing tastes.
Again, they have the right to have that taste and you have the right to hate it. You both should have equal ownership over the wall. Therefore you should also have the right to paint something they don't like on the wall. Or paint over their art. Or paint a different wall in a way you like. Nobody should be prosecuting anyone for the case of a minor disagreement over personal artistic taste.
What if I'm not skilled enough to paint it back to how it was? Or don't want to break the law. Or some other barrier. My point is that if given equal rights, it isn't clear cut if you should paint at all. For example, on dedicated graffiti walls the situation is different since people generally agree how they should be used. Sure, one way to solve a conflict is to let everyone do what they want and see what happens, but it's just a version of "might makes right", imo.
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Are graffiti artists not part of the public? What makes a billboard, for example, more legitimate than graffiti?
What does have billboard to do with ugly graffiti? They're not defacing billboards, are they?
Billboards are an ugly smear on the face of the urban environment, whose sole purpose is to enrich the owners of the billboard, and those that rent them.
The difference between billboards and graffiti is that one is “OK” and the other is not. But in neither case do we get a real choice.
I don’t think billboards have much political legitimacy at all, but there is lots of money behind them, so they’re probably here to stay.
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Almost everywhere, but it's fairly low priority and impossible to prosecute without Orwellian levels of surveillance.
We already have those levels of surveillance. It's just an unwillingness to do anything.
Honestly, it's just paint, it has no direct victims. With most police departments understaffed and underfunded (at least where I live, Portugal), I would rather they focused on more serious problems.
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DB is also deploying robot dogs against graffiti painters: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40388114
God I hope they graffiti the robot dogs as well because that would be so funny.
They will. We're talking of poeple that have no problem stopping a train in a busy station to completely paint it from one side to the other. They'll spray the dog, put a couple stickers on it, and run away.
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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.
Meanwhile in non-defaced public property: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/1_times_... The thing about a big city is it's not just about the people who own the stuff you look at, it's about all the other people who have to look at it. I'll take graffiti over advertising any day. At least graffiti isn't trying to sell me anything or make me depressed or addicted or whatever.
Apples to oranges. The issue with graffiti is not that there are too many, it’s that they’re illegal. I doubt you’d admire an unrequested graffiti war over every wall and window of your house.
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#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
God I hope they graffiti the robot dogs as well because that would be so funny.
They will. We're talking of poeple that have no problem stopping a train in a busy station to completely paint it from one side to the other. They'll spray the dog, put a couple stickers on it, and run away.
Your tax Euros at work: Buying expensive useless robot dogs.
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Implying that graffiti is as bad as bank robberies is wild.
Dunno dude. If my bank is robbed there’s no real impact to me - all the money is insured. If someone graffitis my house then it looks horrible and I have to spend time and money cleaning it up.
I was thinking about societies in general. Bank robberies are absolutely worse.
They can involve multiple lives being at much greater risk and a large amount of resources allocated to criminals. The fact that it doesn't come from the bank but an insurance agency doesn't change anything. The money comes from somewhere.
The context was the graffiti subculture around the German rail system, although I didn't specify, that's what I was referring to. Of course graffiti on private residences is practically just vandalism. There aren't subcultures around that though, besides subcultures that just revolve around general vandalism.
In that vein, you should probably get graffiti insurance if that's a concern.
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.
Meanwhile in non-defaced public property: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/1_times_... The thing about a big city is it's not just about the people who own the stuff you look at, it's about all the other people who have to look at it. I'll take graffiti over advertising any day. At least graffiti isn't trying to sell me anything or make me depressed or addicted or whatever.
Maybe it just boils down to the right to property and having your own stuff just the (legal) way you want it.
It's all great until your stuff gets destroyed because someone thinks it's better a different way. And when the graffiti is truly spectacular you can find some consolation in the result, maybe truly appreciate it. But that's not the case 99.99% of the time. Most graffiti is just trash, some rando spraying their name somewhere. Takes 10 seconds and 0 talent. It causes extra expense for people or the city to clean up, or it stays there as an eye sore for everyone.
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#350Terrible press release. The first picture shows an _intransparent_ barrier. Is that a before after picture? And what is "meta technology"?
This is such a pet peeve for me too, images in articles should always have captions!