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The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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I’ve been a recent convert to the iPhone. It gives me a unique perspective since I’ve spent almost my entire life in the Android ecosystem. I first bought an iPhone 5c on a whim, which is well out of support by apple, 5 versions behind the modern iOS. If you turn it on, all the default Apple apps work, in 2024. You can stream Apple Music and download podcasts with no App Store whatsoever. It’s a powerful little devic…

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Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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I think when companies become a 'necessity' like this, they have to be regulated or broken up. I'm not a big fan of Apple taking a commission if you port an app to their phone and I loathe the idea of having to use iCloud if I want to use Apple Pay, in fact, can't stand the idea of a phone company being my credit card company/bank either. And don't get me started on non standard USB...what was that? I applaud the EU…

lmao some strong feelings there. Lightning is a brilliant port.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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>Android was initially designed so that operators could customise it. ... The exclusion of carriers from being able to make modifications to the phone was, and remains, an active feature for end users. Japanese Android phones bought from carriers are fucking horrible because they have modifications both from the manufacturer (eg: Sony, Samsung) and the carrier . I wonder if this is partially why Japan is among the fe…

If you think about it, this is one of the reasons I like macOS. Back then, buying a PC with windows meant having a lot of crap installed by default. Not sure if it's still the case because I haven't bought a PC in ages, but I remember that formatting my computer and reinstalling windows was step 1 when I was buying a brand new laptop/PC.

Its even worst now. My work PC is unfortunately running Windows 11 Enterprise edition or something like that. Our main product is still .NET Framework with winforms, so I am rather locked into Windows on my work machine. I constantly get pop-ups of, 'hey about you you try using our with co-pilot now!.'

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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>Android was initially designed so that operators could customise it. ... The exclusion of carriers from being able to make modifications to the phone was, and remains, an active feature for end users. Japanese Android phones bought from carriers are fucking horrible because they have modifications both from the manufacturer (eg: Sony, Samsung) and the carrier . I wonder if this is partially why Japan is among the fe…

If you think about it, this is one of the reasons I like macOS. Back then, buying a PC with windows meant having a lot of crap installed by default. Not sure if it's still the case because I haven't bought a PC in ages, but I remember that formatting my computer and reinstalling windows was step 1 when I was buying a brand new laptop/PC.

PC OEM earn more from those bloatware installation than from selling the hardware. They have effectively sold PC as a loss leader.

Don't know if that is still true today.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Apple never got rid of SMS. And there has been no embrace or extend. All they did was put an optional message service in the same app. One that isn’t even the most popular making it strange to say there is no competition.

> All they did was put an optional message service in the same app. They did a bit more than that. There were the glory days that if you ever left the Apple ecosystem, but iMessage ever had an awareness of your number, no other iMessage users could reach you until or unless you did some incantations that Apple didn't make obvious, ideally from an Apple device (that you may not own anymore), to allow your friends to k…

However, the same thing happened to me when I switched from my pixel 3a to an iPhone. I wasn't able to text from my iPhone for a week. I ended up contacting Verizon and they actually had their network engineers investigating. What they ended up discovering, and sent me a contact number for it, was that some how Google's RCS was still holding a lock on my number or something.

So this isn't an exclusive Apple problem.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Apple never got rid of SMS. And there has been no embrace or extend. All they did was put an optional message service in the same app. One that isn’t even the most popular making it strange to say there is no competition.

> there has been no embrace or extend Embrace: include SMS Extend: add iMessage

That's not what the phrase means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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What Apple's done is also violating antitrust laws, which has gotten them in trouble with the DOJ recently. And it's about time. They are a business, but an abusive anti-competitive one that has serious lock-in that bars competitors from their platform for no good reason other than to make even more money. They also forbid some apps because Apple releases something similar, and they don't want any competition. If the…

Um, there’s something called Android. No need to be on the Apple platform at all. You can switch to it if you’d like. When I walk into a Tesla dealership I don’t expect to be able to buy a Chevrolet.

Um, whataboutism isn't a valid defense with the DOJ. Go read the many counts the DOJ is suing Apple for. It's extensive and points to a systemic problem at Apple stifling competition in many ways. Microsoft lost their antitrust case and they weren't doing 1/2 the shady stuff Apple is doing.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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If you think about it, this is one of the reasons I like macOS. Back then, buying a PC with windows meant having a lot of crap installed by default. Not sure if it's still the case because I haven't bought a PC in ages, but I remember that formatting my computer and reinstalling windows was step 1 when I was buying a brand new laptop/PC.

>Back then, buying a PC with windows meant having a lot of crap installed by default. Maybe in the US/West when you bought prebuilt form the likes of Dell. But in my home of EE, most PCs we had for sale in shops were locally assembled with no OS, or just vanilla OEM Windows installed (sometimes even pirated). Crap installed by default on PCs is not something I ever encountered where I live.

This reminds me of Brazil here! Was pretty common to buy PCs at the time with Linux. Almost no one obviously were going to use Linux at the time. Most people I do say, installed later pirated versions of Windows.

This happened because no OEM license = cheaper. These days I don't think it matters anymore, because probably the OEM license is much cheaper than it was back then.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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I think this article is overstating the effect that Apple's walls have on lock-in effect. I'm an Android user, and a little less than a year ago I actually bought an iPhone, specifically due to Apple's iMessage lock-in (nearly all of my friends have iPhones, and the especially broken group messaging between iMessage and Android was the primary driver of my desire to get an iPhone). Except the problem was that, after…

All of Google's services are also on iOS, often the apps work better than on Android. There is no barrier to switching.

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What, if they did something like set up a massive ad sales team after banning FBs competing tools and literally went to all the gaming advertisers and told them that Apple would still let them target on payment status? Something like that, perhaps? Fortunately we live in a world where corporations are never hypocrites, so that definitely didn't happen.

First off, I’m far more concerned about end-user security and privacy than anti-competitive moves. For the latter I’m sure the FTC will cover that in their antitrust suit. Secondly do you have a link for your targeting claims?

I hope this does get covered in the suits, but im sceptical.

The targeting stuff was all verbal communication from Apple sales reps, i dont have a link.

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