The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

Post by vexed_vulpine » Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 12:03 AM UTC

asddubs wrote: post #237

tammer wrote: post #218

I’ve come full circle on this but I now think native applications on smartphones was a mistake. There is no technological reason why applications can’t be distributed as PWA packages similar to the days prior to the App Store. This would serve two important functions: 1. Remove most if not all distribution monopoly concerns 2. Create application standards that function nearly identically across the myriad of screen s…

my half-hearted counterpoints: 1. what about something like a usb flir heat camera? yes i know webusb exists, but having to go to a website to use a peripheral (and give it permissions to that peripheral) is not ideal 2. apps can change on you at any point, potentially maliciously. I'm not naive enough to think the app store will catch this kind of thing every time, but at least you have control over updating apps, a…

Post by leptons » Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 12:04 AM UTC

notyourwork wrote: post #231

WWLink wrote: post #214

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> People keep having to learn that developers cannot be trusted either The problem with this is that Apple is also a developer trying to sell you things. I would feel better if Apple's goals and the user's goals were aligned all the time instead of just some of the time. Admittedly, Apple's real priority is just to make money on every transaction that occurs upon an idevice.

Yes businesses are in the business of making money. Apple is a business. The hope for you (a consumer) is that your needs and theirs are aligned sufficiently well that they solve problems you benefit from while minimizing how much they exploit you. It’s capitalism.

Post by Andrex » Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 12:08 AM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #45

fidotron wrote: post #16

The thing people love forgetting is a huge part of the iPhone success is based on the North American cellular comms industry being a trustless disaster area. The deal Apple did with AT&T opened the floodgates. Android was initially designed so that operators could customise it. The idea was apps were developed (and sold) only by operators, and everything else would be via the browser. If you had used a Nokia device i…

>Android was initially designed so that operators could customise it. ... The exclusion of carriers from being able to make modifications to the phone was, and remains, an active feature for end users. Japanese Android phones bought from carriers are fucking horrible because they have modifications both from the manufacturer (eg: Sony, Samsung) and the carrier . I wonder if this is partially why Japan is among the fe…

Post by xattt » Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 12:15 AM UTC

throw0101c wrote: post #238

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #170

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> What people keep forgetting is the original iPhone had no App Store. It arrived one year later, in 2008: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/App_Store_(Apple) > People quickly forget the original 1st gen iPhone was, despite laying the foundation for some great technologies, hot garbage. "Hot garbage" by what metric? Other phones introduced in 2007: * https://mowned.com/top-mobile-devices/2007 * https://en.wikipedia.org…

Post by Dalewyn » Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 12:27 AM UTC

ndiddy wrote: post #164

baby wrote: post #89

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If you think about it, this is one of the reasons I like macOS. Back then, buying a PC with windows meant having a lot of crap installed by default. Not sure if it's still the case because I haven't bought a PC in ages, but I remember that formatting my computer and reinstalling windows was step 1 when I was buying a brand new laptop/PC.

Windows still comes with a lot of crap installed by default, the difference is that Microsoft has decided to cut out the OEMs and preload the crap themselves (a clean install of Windows 11 Professional comes with apps for Roblox, TikTok, and Disney Plus among others) so the "install from retail media" trick no longer works unless you also pirate the LTSC or Education editions of Windows.