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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by zeruch »

indigochill wrote: post #321
peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

> You no longer have to hire a copywriter, as many SEO spammers used to do. I used to do SEO copywriting in high school and yeah, ChatGPT's output is pretty much at the level of what I was producing (primarily, use certain keywords, secondarily, write a surface-level informative article tangential to what you want to sell to the customer). > At some point it may become impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.…

I think you are generally correct in where things will likely go (sometimes correct goop) but the problem I think will be far more existential; when people start to feel like they are in a perpetual uncanny valley of noise, what DO they actually do next? I don't think we have even the remotest grasp of what that might look like and how it will impact us.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by passion__desire »

nicbou wrote: post #171
larodi wrote: post #102

Wondering whether 10-12 years from now the internet becomes a hostile, corpo-inhibited medium, while the personal LLMs are what we take knowledge from. In reality some (of us) already do so, the only thing is that we don't really know what the LLMs were fed to begin with, but is assumed to be a reality-based information. Your personal Search Engine is your personal model which you evolve to your needs. Safely includi…

Who will create the information then? They won't have traffic, an audience or even any recognition. Who would want to do that?

AI-assisted information creation will be treated the same way electronic music is considered now.

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Post by macksd »

letitbeirie wrote: post #218
pavel_lishin wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

It will be like salvaging pre-1945 shipwrecks for their non-irradiated metal.

Let's hope that, like irresponsible nuclear weapons tests, we also experience a societal change that eventually returns things back to a better way.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by jstarfish »

monkeynotes wrote: post #286
asylteltine wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s true. I thought I missed the internet before ClosedAI ruined it but man, I would love to go back to 2020 internet now. LLM research is going to be the downfall of society in so many ways. Even at a basic level my friend is taking a masters and EVERYONE is using chatgpt for responses. It’s so obvious with the PC way it phrases things and then summarizes it at the end. I hope they just get expelled.

I think this is hyperbole, and similar to various techno fears throughout the ages. Books were seen by intellectuals as being the downfall of society. If everyone is educated they'll challenge dogma of the church, for one. So looking at prior transformational technology I think we'll be just fine. Life may be forever changed for sure, but I think we'll crack reliability and we'll just cope with intelligence being a n…

> If everyone is educated they'll challenge dogma of the church, for one.

But this was a correct prediction.

It took the Church down a few pegs and let corporations fill that void. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, and this time they aren't making the mistake of committing doctrine to paper.

> we'll just cope with intelligence being a non-scarce commodity available to anyone.

Or we'll just poison the "intelligence" available to the masses.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by [deleted] »

donmcronald wrote: post #260
jillesvangurp wrote: post #147

The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. You can't take anything at face value. It might be generated, forged, et. When anyone can publish anything and when anyone is outnumbered by AIs publishing even more things, the only way to filter that is by relying on reputation and authenticity so you can know who published what and what else they are saying. Web of trust has of course been tr…

> The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. This is the real play IMO. With the push for identity systems that support attestation [1], it doesn't matter if AI is successful at producing high quality results or if it only ever produces massive amounts of pure garbage. In the latter case, it's a huge win for platform owners like Apple, Google, or Microsoft (via TPM) because they're the o…

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by whatshisface »

Kagi is good at filtering this stuff out. Recently I searched for some information about mobile phones, and while the Google results were contradictory and AI-generated, the Kagi results allowed me to find what I needed. I noticed something seemed off about the Google results (they were bad-looking websites with strange phrasings) which was confirmed when I discovered the different results contradicted each other.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by bombela »

Aurornis wrote: post #251
ravenstine wrote: post #118

Although I agree with the title, I also don't think the internet is that significantly different from before GPTs 4, 3, or 2. Articles written by interns or Indian virtual assistants about generic topics are pretty much as bad as most AI generated material and isn't that distinguishable from it. It doesn't help that search engines today sort by prestige over whether your query matches text in a webpage. People aren't…

> Although I agree with the title, I also don't think the internet is that significantly different from before GPTs 4, 3, or 2. I feel the same way. I'm sure some corners of the internet have incrementally more spam, but things like SEO spam word mixers and blog spam have been around for a decade. ChatGPT didn't appreciably change that for me. I have, however, been accused of being ChatGPT on Reddit when I took the t…

I failed a remote technical interview by writing a bad abstraction and mudding myself with it.

After the interview I rewrote the code, and sent an email with it and a well written apology.

The company thought the email and the code was chatgpt! I am still not sure how I feel about that.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by sureglymop »

BizarreByte wrote: post #208
jprete wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have to, the fandom will do it for free. EDIT: Also, the odds are close to 100%.

> They don't have to, the fandom will do it for free. See Elon Musk about 4-5 years ago. It was impossible to criticize the man or his projects without getting dogpiled.

Still the case despite many many examples why there should be harsh criticisms.

Human behavior is incredibly interesting at times.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by seabass-labrax »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #133
peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

A work-friend and I were musing in our chat yesterday about a boilerplate support email from Microsoft he received after he filed a ticket, that was simply chock full of spelling and grammar errors, alongside numerous typos (newlines where inappropriate, spaces before punctuation, that sort of thing) and as a joke he fired up his AI (honestly I have no idea what he uses, he gets it from a work account as part of some…

I agree that most business communication is pretty low-quality. But after reading your post with the kind of needlessly fine-tooth comb that is invited by a thread about proper English, I'm wondering how it matters. You yourself made a few mistakes in your post, but not only does it scarcely matter, it would be rude of me to point it out in any other context (all the same, I hope you do not take offence in this case).

Correct grammar and spelling might be reassuring as a matter of professionalism: the business must be serious about its work if it goes to the effort of proofreading, surely? That is, it's a heuristic for legitimacy in the same way as expensive advertisements are, even if completely independent from the actual quality of the product. However, I'm not sure that 100% correct grammar is necessary from a transactional point of view; 90% correct is probably good enough for the vast majority of commerce.

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