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Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Apocryphon »

galkk wrote: post #339
newaccount74 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, unfortunately important topics like these are typically flagged on HN and quickly disappear from the front page. I understand why -- they tend to lead to flamewars. But I'm not sure if hiding issues like this is a good choice. (Aside: I think it's telling that the apparent majority on HN is on Goliaths side in this case. Usually we're more on the side of the underdog. I wonder if that's just the latent misogyny…

Could it be nothing of that but disregard for toxic behavior of op who either doesn’t have clue about tone, causes and consequences of the actions or refuses to own it. With the way how the post is written, and I find the end especially toxic, with points about trump era, throwing shade on a guy with hints of racism, I cannot see that this was just some unfortunate misunderstanding. omg your possible explanations: mi…

To flip the political polarity, this is a matter of free speech, an issue championed by the right as of late- and involving Twitter, no less! It becomes an interesting case study once you strip away the triggering particulars and examine it from a bigger picture.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Shaanie »

parineum wrote: post #15
constantly wrote: post #4

I would have fired this person as soon as humanly possible for basically (actually) telling customers of the company to go F themselves, and making horribly insensitive and inappropriate jokes at their expense. imho the point of this article seems to be to tell the story where big bad VMWare or the target of VMWare’s employee’s ire stomped on poor VMWare employee, but I think it makes the employee look bad. I would a…

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Like, yeah, the guy was being thin-skinned and over reactive but publicly accusing your employer's client of war crimes should get you fired. If you're upset that your employer is dealing with these people, quit. Work for someone you don't hate.

I don't think it's thin-skinned to complain about those tweets. It would bother me too if someone who attended my presentation in professional capacity personally attacked me in a public way like that. It's absolutely completely unacceptable, even in a more casual setting (I'd expect to get banned or at least a stern warning if I said something like that on HN, for example).

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by wiseowise »

bitwize wrote: post #211
Pannoniae wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't necessarily disagree with the substance but I think the logic is very sound here. Saying "you are free to choose another industry to work in." if you don't like a specific aspect of an industry is I think a quite exclusionary and condescending view. Nothing ever improves if everyone just leaves everything ranging from jobs or even entire fields when they don't like some of it. There are many people who want t…

Bringing more bigotry to the industry is not improving it. There was a subtext of "bigots are not welcome here".

> There was a subtext of "bigots are not welcome here".

Talk about being inclusive, huh.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

Apocryphon wrote: post #335
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty easy to just not engage on those topics. Just don't comment.

And yet, here we both are.

A) pretty sure this post is about someone getting fired for misconduct. That has nothing to do with the listed topics. At best it could be mildly political since they were allegedly fired for political views, but that is not the main discussion.

B) the rules only tell to avoid

C) at least I do not have such rules places upon me

all in all, nice try, but you have no argument

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by Apocryphon »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #344
Apocryphon wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, here we both are.

A) pretty sure this post is about someone getting fired for misconduct. That has nothing to do with the listed topics. At best it could be mildly political since they were allegedly fired for political views, but that is not the main discussion. B) the rules only tell to avoid C) at least I do not have such rules places upon me all in all, nice try, but you have no argument

I never had an argument, honestly. I was just tut-tutting about how everything, including HN, is overpoliticized these days.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by iLoveOncall »

yumraj wrote: post #154

This sounds exactly like the person who first does something stupid, then instead of accepting their mistake doubles down on it and takes several steps to make it much much worse, and then when has to face the consequences blogs about it with a straight face while trying to get public sympathy. Is there a word for this kind of behavior? For what it’s worth, IMHO, VMWare comes across as extremely mature.

> Is there a word for this kind of behavior?

Mental illness.

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by fennecfoxy »

Lmao, this is like the time the furry posted about getting a job at NASA and excitedly told someone to "suck their dick and balls" and that person turned out to be on the NASA council (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/nasa-internship-twitte...).

It worked out in the end as he correctly surmised that she was just young, dumb and excited and tried to work to get her the position back. However the crappy side of furries (well anybody online) targeted the poor dude even though he was completely correct to call her out on her language.

As a furry myself I completely separate it from work, why someone would ever mention work or any other professional part of their lives on a "I like cartoon animals" account is beyond me. It's easy to be necessarily vicious and reactive/emotional online and I do it all the time myself, but I never involve my job.

Perhaps it's a context problem, being used to particular environments, say professional & unprofessional, when someone makes the mistake of being unprofessional in their unprofessional environment (their personal Twitter) but there are links to the professional environment (colleagues on Twitter) then trouble happens.

OP was big-headed and was posting all this conference shit from their personal Twitter account looks like. They should've been posting it from a work account and not gone off the rails. If they want to bitch about the DoD fine, I can totally understand, but do it on personal account and don't involve your work/job in any way. Explain what you don't like about the DoD rather than "fuck you".

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by newaccount74 »

galkk wrote: post #339
newaccount74 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, unfortunately important topics like these are typically flagged on HN and quickly disappear from the front page. I understand why -- they tend to lead to flamewars. But I'm not sure if hiding issues like this is a good choice. (Aside: I think it's telling that the apparent majority on HN is on Goliaths side in this case. Usually we're more on the side of the underdog. I wonder if that's just the latent misogyny…

Could it be nothing of that but disregard for toxic behavior of op who either doesn’t have clue about tone, causes and consequences of the actions or refuses to own it. With the way how the post is written, and I find the end especially toxic, with points about trump era, throwing shade on a guy with hints of racism, I cannot see that this was just some unfortunate misunderstanding. omg your possible explanations: mi…

> I cannot see that this was just some unfortunate misunderstanding

It obviously wasn't a misunderstanding. The story is about a person who insulted an air force official, and got fired as a result. There is no misunderstanding about this.

So the relevant question is, should programmers be fired for insulting government brass on Twitter? I would expect most of HN to say "No, they shouldn't".

But in this case, the overwhelming majority of posters is really pissed at OP for some reason, and I'm wondering why that is.

> to have flesh royal

I don't understand what this part is supposed to say?

Re: That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job

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Post by squeaky-clean »

mlatu wrote: post #218
squeaky-clean wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that it caused the Chief Software Officer of a major customer to view it negatively, I think that proves an outside observer viewed it as representing some of the company's views. For something like government, it doesn't really matter what the official stance of the company is. If you think a single employee is going to try to sneak a backdoor into the software you're buying and the company isn't trying hard e…

is an "employee of a major customer" an "outside observer"?

I think they're not only an outside observer, but the only kind of observer that really matters.
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