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Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by lake_vincent »

dsr_ wrote: post #231
lake_vincent wrote: post #229

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This is interesting...what do you suspect is behind this? Do recruiters just tell candidates "Hey, make sure to put FOOlang on your resume before you apply to this job."

No, I'm strongly implying that many recruiters will just change resumes with minimal regard for the truth. Note the difference between FOOlang and FOOLAND, among other things...

Woah, that is way more insidious than I was expecting. I get what you mean now, and that just seems really stupid on the recruiter's part. Doesn't it come out during the interview process if there's BS on the resume?

But I'm guessing that's your point, right? Because the hiring manager should notice, and the interview process should screen for it, so this must be a symptom of much larger scale dysfunction in the tech recruiting/hiring space.

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by smcl »

onei wrote: post #25
yupper32 wrote: post #11

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I don't see many 5-star skill ratings, dual colored backgrounds (?), or unreadable fonts. Where do you see those? I would turn people away from that format if they asked my advice. My resume, and the resumes I've seen aren't too far away from this format. More bullet points and a bit more detail than this, I guess. But otherwise pretty similar

I see them a lot for interns and new grads. I think there's a bunch of templates that have these 'features' and when people are first starting out they don't know better. No interviewer I've ever met thought 5-star ratings were a good idea.

Yep 100%, and I did the same to be honest - I have a memory of painstakingly deciding which languages or technologies I was "experienced" in and which I was merely "intermediate" in, without realising it was wasted effort :) I think people tend to be quite forgiving of graduates or those new to the industry, it's hard to know what's expected of you.

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by ghaff »

elteto wrote: post #7
spywaregorilla wrote: post #5

Why does he call out that he is 5'4" I wonder? The "Health: Excellent" seems amusing in today's context too.

He is coming from an aerospace/military background so I assume he is providing this information in case the job requires working in confined spaces and/or lifting weights or other physically strenuous exercise.

Health: Excellent was also just pretty common to stick on resumes in that era.

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by shiftpgdn »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #253
nervousvarun wrote: post #223

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We probably are close to the same age. My dad was an engineer who also learned to program FORTRAN in the 70's. When I asked him a similar question his reply was (quotes are paraphrased): "It was way too tedious to do. You'd spend hours getting the cards just right. We used to put them in a shoebox and mark them with a pen in case we dropped them on the way to the lab. Then you'd wait until the next day to get your re…

> "I didn't thought this thing about computers would go too far." I almost didn't major in Computer Science because in the late 90s, there were so many negative articles in the New York Times, vis-a-vis software. People don't remember it now, but the media and the culture were utterly hostile towards us, and loved to say our jobs were going to India, that everything there was to know about Computer Science could be s…

We're probably about the same age. I decided against comp sci at the turn of the century because of exactly what was being said. The dotcom bust just happened and if the media was to be believed programmers were taking jobs flipping burgers and there were enough programmers without jobs to cover the world's programming needs for the next 50 years.

I wound up going to school for economics and then later found my way into the IT world by circumstance.

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by llanowarelves »

time_to_smile wrote: post #204
zackmorris wrote: post #142

If the minimalist resume is appealing, can we also bring back walk-on hiring? In warehouse and construction work, if someone shows up at 7:30 AM on a Monday morning, odds are quite good that the foreman will have something for them to do. Maybe not that day, but maybe tomorrow, or maybe someone on the list above them won't show up that week and they'll get called. I made rent doing that in my early 20s and they even…

> bring back walk-on hiring? This make sense for highly productive labor, that foreman hiring people for just showing up generally got a positive expected return for this. In fact, this is still how a lot of (sometimes illegal) day labors go about getting work: truck comes by, picks up people ready for work, work get done and everyone makes money. > Why again does boutique startup need to interview 500 overqualified…

I can't wait for the economic downturn.

Washes most of the nonsense away.

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by tannhaeuser »

nervousvarun wrote: post #223
marcodiego wrote: post #218

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My father was a physicist. He learned to program in FORTRAN in the university in the 70's. Decades later I, still a teenager, asked him something like this: "Dad, you were a FORTRAN programmer and physicist in the 70's, you could be a very well paid developer anywhere in the developed world... why didn't you?"; he answered me: "I didn't thought this thing about computers would go too far."

We probably are close to the same age. My dad was an engineer who also learned to program FORTRAN in the 70's. When I asked him a similar question his reply was (quotes are paraphrased): "It was way too tedious to do. You'd spend hours getting the cards just right. We used to put them in a shoebox and mark them with a pen in case we dropped them on the way to the lab. Then you'd wait until the next day to get your re…

I find it astonishing that only a couple years later the basic Unix development environment (ttys and full-screen terminals instead of cards, cc, sh, make, ...) came into existence, and has basically prevailed.

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by jimhi »

yieldcrv wrote: post #315
zackmorris wrote: post #142

If the minimalist resume is appealing, can we also bring back walk-on hiring? In warehouse and construction work, if someone shows up at 7:30 AM on a Monday morning, odds are quite good that the foreman will have something for them to do. Maybe not that day, but maybe tomorrow, or maybe someone on the list above them won't show up that week and they'll get called. I made rent doing that in my early 20s and they even…

Entertainers still have that capability in many places Offbrand for this site but I’ve seen women audition and work and get paid the same day, this year Is what it is They sign all forms and its W-2 employment some places as well I agree we should reduce friction to that level for more kinds of work, some people are working on that

Can you clarify, are you talking about modeling, standup, acting? What role exactly?

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by stephenhuey »

cowanon22dhhf wrote: post #273
lambdasquirrel wrote: post #253

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> "I didn't thought this thing about computers would go too far." I almost didn't major in Computer Science because in the late 90s, there were so many negative articles in the New York Times, vis-a-vis software. People don't remember it now, but the media and the culture were utterly hostile towards us, and loved to say our jobs were going to India, that everything there was to know about Computer Science could be s…

> I almost didn't major in Computer Science because in the late 90s, there were so many negative articles in the New York Times, vis-a-vis software. People don't remember it now, but the media and the culture were utterly hostile towards us, and loved to say our jobs were going to India, that everything there was to know about Computer Science could be studied in railyard switching, in existing abstract math textbook…

It was hard to figure out at the turn of the century when the career fair was literally cut in half after the dot com bust. Although websites had been around for years, web apps were still pretty clunky and it felt like the world of internet-based possibilities still had a long way to go. I decided to try doing application development for pay because it seemed interesting and I figured I could easily switch to something else down the road. Plenty of relatives and acquaintances did inform me that my job was going to be outsourced abroad, though. :) And things looked dire again with the financial crisis but I was shocked that a few years after that, I discovered when recruiting at my alma mater that CS had become the most popular major whereas it was one of the smallest ones when I was studying it! So, lots of predicting that turned out differently...

Re: My dad's resume and skills from 1980

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Post by enraged_camel »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #270
LtWorf wrote: post #259

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No? You had valgrind to find memory bugs in 1985?

I would not consider that "full automated", but YMMV.

Same. It's fair to say our tooling today is far superior, but "fully automated" implies virtually zero input from humans beyond the initial configuration.
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