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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by danamit »

llamajams wrote: post #230
danamit wrote: post #105

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It is not about the Kafala system, since even the West has similar systems. It is that they treat migrant workers that are not highly skilled specially from specific backgrounds bad.

It's not just migrant workers thought, my one cousin who is a white collar worker, making significantly more than me, lived under similar conditions with respect to passport and living...they even go through his mail. I have had other cousins in the are who have worked as labourers and the first hand accounts as bad as we've heard.

That makes your cousin a migrant worker too? no?

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Post by seper8 »

krageon wrote: post #287
seper8 wrote: post #49

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Probably the fact that it's not at war with one of our "allies". And because it's not threatening to use nuclear weapons, bombing civilians, taking children hostage, disrupting food supply chains...

The middle east isn't exactly a garden full of fruit and sunshine.

I don't think that whataboutism is helping, do you?

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Post by dotancohen »

dTal wrote: post #259
f1refly wrote: post #102

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Technically yes - what makes your opinion on how life should be more correct than their opinion?

As an abstract argument, this is an intellectual dead end, if "having a moral opinion" is to be a thing. As a concrete argument specifically dealing with Qatar, there is a very long list of pragmatic reasons why the death penalty for adultery is Bad, assuming reasonable terminal values like "happiness is good".

There are even more pragmatic reasons why discouraging adultery, even on penalty of death, is Good. For instance, knowing for certain who your parents and who their parents are, in areas with little possibility of inter-family interaction and thus the real need to prevent inbreeding. Not to talk about preventing the spread of disease where medical care is not available. This, in addition to the absolute impossibility of raising a child without a father in a tent while tending to the herd and fields all day.

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Post by falcolas »

missedthecue wrote: post #321
falcolas wrote: post #294

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And then the woman must wait and prove she is not pregnant before remarrying. Just the woman.

Well the point is to see if an unexpected pregnancy arose from the marriage. It really wouldn't make sense for the man to wait too, practically speaking.

What happens if the woman is pregnant, but the man’s already remarried? Its not like the waiting period will change anything… the woman would still be screwed in such a culture.

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Post by collegeburner »

__s wrote: post #161
harry8 wrote: post #149

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If you get raped and report it as though you were in a civilized place you will be arrested and charged with adultery. For being raped.

Deuteronomy 22-22:29 is good stuff

> If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

> If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,

> you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death--the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

> But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.

> Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor,

> for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

> If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,

> he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

It is a very harsh punishment, I do not agree with it, but intended to punish adultery not to punish women specifically. That is why the provision for country vs. town. A reasonable reading is if a woman is raped/resists she should not be punished, if she is committing adultery she should. Probably happened because of a problem with women would be caught and say they were raped. But religion bad amirite fellow men of culture tips fedora

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Post by collegeburner »

falcolas wrote: post #276
rightbyte wrote: post #226

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You rather not be married if you are to be raped I guess? Do I read the rules correctly?

It depends on if you’re ok being sold off to your rapist. Can’t see how that could go wrong.

This is one of the things that only makes sense if you go to a mindset where women are chattel. A raped woman is "damaged goods", the man has damaged the property of her father. He now can't get a dowry because other men will not marry her. This also means the women may end up cast out, homeless, starving, destitute so not good for her either. The fucked up part is women being chattel though, which was just that time, this seems well intentioned aside from that.

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Post by brippalcharrid »

legutierr wrote: post #229
rayiner wrote: post #203

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What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu . Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.

“Institutions” in general don’t have woke messaging, specific institutions do. “Universities” in general don’t have partnerships with the Qatar government, specific universities do. Just because one university is very “woke”, and another university forms a partnership with Qatar does not mean that universities in general are hypocritical, or even that any specific university is hypocritical. If you are going to make…

It doesn't have to be a case of a university signalling to the world that they are embarking on a formal partnership with government of Qatar, it just needs to be one of many indirect mechanisms through which they take a large amount of money that originates from Qatar, and a department or scholar or research foundation or a commercial partnership confers kudos upon a Qatari foundation or the royal family, or indicates patronage. There are a million ways of dressing it up, universities have PR departments and strategic communications consultancies to keep bad news at bay, and few students or academics are going to go to all that trouble to bite the hand that feeds them. You just end up with a state of the art new department building or facility that has been funded by a foundation with an Arabic name (perhaps an Emir or a sheikh's wife or daughter), and some dignitaries attending an opening ceremony on a Saturday morning to a hand-picked crowd while most of the students on campus are sleeping in. None of this is at all remarkable in today's landscape of intense inter-university competition. Also, they're not going to fund sociology departments; it's often directed towards the hard sciences or Arabic language/literature/history/cultural studies. And that's before you get onto endowments from Blue Chip companies that are actually vehicles for wealthy investors.

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

mhh__ wrote: post #214
honkdaddy wrote: post #186

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Is it poor taste? I certainly have never had any issue complaining. It's widely reporter on in sports journalism, and the BBC etc.

Probably talking about their own comment, pre-edit to current version.

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Post by ValentineC »

pishpash wrote: post #110
mkl95 wrote: post #57

> Flogging is used in Qatar as a punishment for alcohol consumption or illicit sexual relations. According to Amnesty International, in 2012 at least six foreign nationals were sentenced to floggings of either 40 or 100 lashes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar#Legal_sy...

Singapore uses public caning. This stuff seems common in city-states.

> Singapore uses public caning.

Singaporean here. I hope you're referring to public caning in schools [1][2], because canings in prisons [3] are, as far as I know, not open to the public.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore#School_can...

[2] https://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20091012...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore#Prison_can...

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