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Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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That doesn't make sense. If you really bid what it was worth to you, why were you disappointed that the house went for more because you would have paid it (and more)?

“what it’s worth” is just the maximum you can possibly afford when the alternative is never owning anything.

If your perspective is that people will sacrifice anything to own a home, then home prices are quite undervalued and have been for a long time.

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The question is why does something like blind bidding exist in real estate? It could exist in all sorts of places but doesn't. Imagine blind bidding when interviewing for a job. Write down the number you'd be willing to do the job for. Someone came in with a lower number, please resubmit. These weird market distortions in real estate have underlying causes. A lot of them are based off patchwork rules and regulations…

Employment, outside a handful of environments where salaries are public, is probably a great example of a market that is indeed blind bid - this is what a recruiter is doing when they ask what your “salary expectations” are.

Not... really? The problem with blind bidding is that it's iterative — that's the "bidding" part. People don't "bid" their own salary expectations down; let alone are they prompted to do so by their potential employer.

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Buying is throwing away money too, often just as much as the rent you were paying. Yes some portion of what you pay goes to principle and you eventually own the home but the following amounts are just lost money: - interest on the loan - utility bills - property taxes You also have to replace anything that breaks and are responsible for all repairs on the property. Many of these replacements and repairs don’t increas…

You're missing a big point of buying with a fixed mortgage though -- its partially a hedge against housing cost inflation. Sure, property taxes will go up as property values increase, but taxes aren't really that large of the total housing cost of my home. Taxes could double and it still wouldn't be the majority of the cost of my house. Most of my monthly cost of my house is P&I, values that won't go up. My mortgage,…

But you’re sacrificing the flexibility of renting. While I agree the benefits of home ownership far outweigh long term renting, there are some trade-offs.

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Stress test currently means you need to qualify at 5-6% if you have 20% down. If you are putting less than 20% then the stress test is even higher. I doubt we will see 5-6% interest rates in the next 5 years.

Tell that to the 5.1% rate a friend of mine just got on a new home purchase with >20% downpayment. I dunno if rates are a lot better in Canada or something, but we're already in 5-6% range in the US for some properties. They had excellent credit too.

Interest rates are still at 2.5% in Canada. Still a ways off from 5-6%.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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A quick look at the data suggests only about 2% of properties in Toronto and Vancouver are owned by overseas investors. Yes, housing is priced at the margin, but this won't do anything at all to prices over the long term. I'm sure this will be wildly popular politically, because people LOVE the idea that some foreign boogieman is the reason their children can't afford homes anymore. It's much easier to outsource your…

> only about 2% of properties in Toronto and Vancouver are owned by overseas investors. Yes, housing is priced at the margin, but this won't do anything at all to prices over the long term. I'm sure this will be wildly popular politically, because people LOVE the idea that some foreign boogieman is the reason their children can't afford homes anymore. Overseas investors may own only 2%, but Canada has 23% foreign-bor…

this is textbook xenophobia and you should be ashamed. Implying that the foreign born population in Canada are somehow less canadian or more foreign is not what anyone should be saying.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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Stress test currently means you need to qualify at 5-6% if you have 20% down. If you are putting less than 20% then the stress test is even higher. I doubt we will see 5-6% interest rates in the next 5 years.

Tell that to the 5.1% rate a friend of mine just got on a new home purchase with >20% downpayment. I dunno if rates are a lot better in Canada or something, but we're already in 5-6% range in the US for some properties. They had excellent credit too.

Rates are better in Canada. 2.3% is within the norm.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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The buyer's realtor is supposed to be working in the buyer's best interest and getting the lowest price possible. In reality it doesn't often work that way, especially when the buyer and seller realtors know each other. I just bought a house and both realtors ended up being from the same office, and are good friends. Do I honestly think I got the best price? Not likely.

Maybe it’s different in Canada, but in the US (or at least in Massachusetts and New Hampshire) the agent merely must disclose to whom they owe allegiance. In both of my purchase transactions, the agent I worked most consistently with was legally working for the seller. (I was comfortable with that and acted accordingly, having “my” agent submit bids that I was comfortable with, but not treating/trusting them as if th…

Your experience is not the norm, nor is it one I would recommend in most cases. You should find an agent you trust and can work with well to represent you, and they should be the only agent you ever have to speak to.

Dual representation can work out ok in some scenarios, but the hyper-inflated and super competitive market we're in right now isn't one of them.

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Related, I’m concerned about the trend of megacorporations gobbling up single-family homes which appears to be happening in the US and Canada. I wonder if it’s possible to construct a law that would limit corporate ability to acquire these assets while making it possible for families to do so. Unfortunately, even if there is, politicians at least in DC seem to have zero motivation to solve political problems unless t…

Triple or quadruple property taxes after the 10th purchased residence in the state. Encourage tax breaks through high density development of condos with coop property management firms.

This would simply drive rents up across the board. Unintended consequences are the primary result of punitive tax measures.

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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Related, I’m concerned about the trend of megacorporations gobbling up single-family homes which appears to be happening in the US and Canada. I wonder if it’s possible to construct a law that would limit corporate ability to acquire these assets while making it possible for families to do so. Unfortunately, even if there is, politicians at least in DC seem to have zero motivation to solve political problems unless t…

The vast majority of houses are not going to foreigners or corporations. Some do, but it is only a tiny percentage. We need to build more housing, in the end housing costs are about supply and demand.

What percentage of new developments are going to foreigners?

I looked up some property tax docs of a new luxury apartment building (majority of units go for 2M+) in NYC and I was shocked to see something like 90% of the owners had chinese names.

I'm guessing that the majority of these are foreign buyers. I'm also guessing its unlikely that the NYC new development market is being dominated by asian americans?

Re: Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years

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Prediction: barely anything happens and problems continue to rise as population numbers have yet to peak and the people who are struggling most with this problem, the working class, continues to lose wealth relatively to the upper classes. Almost every country with these problems has similar symptoms and the problem could've been seen coming from decades away. Tackling these things requires far, far more input from g…

Domestic population in developed countries hit their peak a while ago. The demand side here is all immigration and I wish people would talk about that before they talk about bulldozing neighborhoods.

Of course. But realistically, no one wants to deal with the inevitability of ageing populations having to either take the bullet and accept they were sold a bunch of lies, or causing the working class to crumble under the collective weight of all who depend on them. Most immigration and pushing for higher birthrates is just that, an admission by politicians they don't want to deal with the problem and passing it onto the next reigning party.

That said, it's nowhere near the sole contributor. Quite a few countries have very low immigrant numbers along with low birthrates and still face soaring house prices. Rampant individualism doesn't help, either.

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