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Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by quantumwoke »

MatteoFrigo wrote: post #334
quantumwoke wrote: post #327

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All the slides say is that there were 700ish reports that met case criteria as reported through VAERS, a self-reporting system. We are not told any information about which case criteria were met (objective vs subjective), comorbidities, reason for presentation (all vital information for a true diagnosis not report ). We are not told about degree of hospitalisation or reason for hospitalisation. We are most certainly…

Does the link https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7027e2-H.pdf on the same page 11 answer your concerns? That paper (from June) explains in some details what the CDC did, and I would assume that the slides are just an update of the numbers on the paper to a later date. At least the author of the slides was an author of the paper, so I would infer that they kept doing whatever they were doing in June. One th…

Of course I read through the link. It did not alter my reading of the slides in the slightest. The simpler tests recommended in the paper are not as objective as you might think. Again, the slides do not give us the information used and the interviews you mention did not happen for entire age categories. I'm glad you have confidence in the CDC and vaccines; GP does not and is actively trying to mislead users of HN. Appreciate the downvotes instead of discussion.

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Post by jiggawatts »

nradov wrote: post #328
jiggawatts wrote: post #281

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> Why not wear a helmet in a car I'm sure it would help in some cases ? Race car drivers do wear helmets ! Risk-benefit is a simple matter of considering the relative downsides (costs) vs benefit (safety) of available options, and making some rational choices. COVID is insanely dangerous. Even for young people, the dangers of COVID are directly comparable to professional car racing, base jumping, or similarly high-ri…

You are posting misinformation. I would encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can. But according to the CDC the fatality rate for people in the 18-49 age group is only 0.06%. And the deaths are mostly people with serious co-morbid conditions. The risk is nowhere near as high as BASE jumping. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jsams.2020.11.002

If you literally Google "base jumping risk statistics" it helpfully says, right at the top: "BASE jumping carries a 0.2-0.4% injury rate per jump, and a fatality rate of 0.04% per jump."

I'm saying 0.06% risk of death is comparable to 0.04% risk of death.

How exactly am I spreading "misinformation"?

Googling "everest climbers death rate" yields: "Interestingly, the death rate has decreased a bit, from 1.6 percent in the earlier period to 1.0 percent in the more recent period. That said, since the number of climbers has quadrupled, the actual number of deaths has increased."

Remind me what the CFR/IFR is for COVID for over-70s with co-morbidities again? I don't want to post "misinformation" here, so I'll let you do your own research.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by didjathinkmess »

Griffinsauce wrote: post #132
NalNezumi wrote: post #123

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I have never ever on HN seen an argument about DNA and mRNA, but then again I don't follow the conversation too much. As it seems like you know someone with correct background on the subject, so I wanted to ask you something I've always wanted to know as a young,(late 20s) healthy person with no existing risky precondition in this pandemic: Why should I take a vaccine, when it is now known that vaccinated people can…

> when it is now known that vaccinated people can still spread the virus I imagine this is not binary but you are likely to be less sick and less contagious.

Less likely to be sick and.. That's it. Equally as likely to spread the Delta variant if we're considering viral load as the metric. That's only compared to an unvaccinated person who has not previously had an infection (i.e. no natural immunity).

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Post by didjathinkmess »

NalNezumi wrote: post #164
Griffinsauce wrote: post #132

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> when it is now known that vaccinated people can still spread the virus I imagine this is not binary but you are likely to be less sick and less contagious.

That's a good point. The article that mentioned it (I think it was based on study in Boston or Manhattan?) did mention that vaccinated people carried/spread it for _shorter amount of time_

Please circle back and post that article. That would be the first that I've heard of any difference in time between the two. Honestly it sounds suspicious.

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Post by penultimatebro »

p_j_w wrote: post #120
tinus_hn wrote: post #100

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You are contradicting yourself. You say this is about getting things under control, but then you say there is no way of controlling things. Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. You say ‘it will probably be a common cold, once humans have enough antibodies’. Humans do not get per…

You've made it abundantly clear here that you don't know what you're talking about, so you perhaps should just stop talking at all on the matter. >Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. Delaying the progression DOES help get things under control. >The only argument there is is tha…

You were doing so well until the last sentence.

Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the delta variant. If you disagree, please post your proof. Until then, please stop spreading misinformation.

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Post by uniqueid »

kderbyma wrote: post #308
uniqueid wrote: post #279

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Literally billions of people around the world have been vaccinated against Coronavirus now. How high can the chance of serious short-term side effects be?

lol that's the same logic that resulted in 100M passwords and credentials being leaked....again and again and again..... mistakes are normal, to assume none is truly unfathomably dense....

A large sample size provides more conclusive results than does a small sample size.

In the case of Coronavirus vaccines, the sample size is 1/3 the population of Earth.

If hundreds of millions of vaccinated people were developing heart problems it would be noticeable.

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Post by penultimatebro »

op00to wrote: post #149
eganist wrote: post #51

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> If we can get approvals rolling faster without compromising safety, it might mean being able to release variant-specific boosters earlier in their transmission cycle. This is basically it. We'd need an approval process similar to what exists for flu shots today. I'm not versed on what that process is, but if that can happen with covid, it'll be the biggest batch of red tape cut.

pfizer and moderna have essentially filed for rolling submissions. the biggest impediment to vaccines stopping the virus is morons not getting the vaccine.

Yeah, dang morons not getting the not-yet-available booster shot!

I mean, those dang morons not getting the available vaccine which does nothing for transmission of the current viral variant! Eesh, well that doesn’t hold water either...

Ugh this is too complicated, let’s just blame the unvaccinated anyways mmkay?

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Post by zaptrem »

SamPatt wrote: post #329
zaptrem wrote: post #321

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And yet the majority of those citizens agree with vaccine mandates among other public health measures https://news.uchicago.edu/story/most-americans-support-vacci... It’s almost like the government is still fulfilling the will of the people!

The government is not meant to be majority rule. It was explicitly created to prevent majority rule. The Senate acted as a longer term, more stable body to counteract the more popularist House. Originally citizens didn't even vote for Senators, they were appointed by the states themselves. An entire set of explicit rules restrained what the majority could do (Constitution and Bill of Rights). Majority rule has a long…

lemmie guess... “America isn’t a democracy, it’s a republic” https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/yes-consti...

“The government wasn’t meant to fulfill the will of the people... it was meant to fulfill the will of my people!”

Minority rule has a much longer and more gruesome history of abuses, and it never ends well for the rulers.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #335
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #312

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I don't know, but lots of people seem to claim this (without citations).

"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

Thanks!

That paper is really weird, just from the abstract. The conclusion "natural immunity etc" kinda comes out of nowhere.

It'll be interesting to see the quality of it when I read the whole thing.

Re: Israel’s Covid-19 boosters are preventing infections, new studies suggest

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Post by Griffinsauce »

linuxftw wrote: post #202
Griffinsauce wrote: post #180

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Why do so many discussions around this have to devolve to reasoning against absolute straw-men arguments? The point wasn't for "everybody" to stay at home but to expand "everybody who can" to the highest possible number, by removing economic and other barriers.

Why do people act like a completely unreasonable plan (and plan is generous) created by the morons in charge was ever going to be followed, let alone work? Garbage in, garbage out.

That wasn't the topic but thanks for sharing your feelings.
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