Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by salzig » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:08 AM UTC

durovo wrote: post #274

keyme wrote: post #221

Dear humans, 1) You willingly delegated the decision of what code is allowed to run on your devices to the manufacturer (2009). Smart voices warned you of today's present even then. 2) You willingly got yourself irrevocably vendor-locked by participating in their closed social networks, so that it's almost impossible to leave (2006). 3) You willingly switched over essentially all human communication to said social ne…

If it seems like this scanning is working as advertised, this will be a great marketing stunt for Apple. Actual predators will stop using Apple products out of fear of getting caught and they will be forced to use Android. Now any person who owns an Android is a potential predator. Also, if you are trying to jailbreak your iPhone, you are a potential predator.

Or they will just get one step deeper into the dark, by using a designated device for the dirty stuff. Potentially only used within tor/vpn with no connection to "normal"-life.

Congratz, investigations got a bit harder, but now all people have to life with a tool that will be used against them when needed. No sane person can believe that this isn't used for other "crimes" (how ever those are defined) tomorrow.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by josefx » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:09 AM UTC

ddtaylor wrote: post #308

josefx wrote: post #176

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Do you support mandatory cavity searches after every shopping trip? Property laws are important, you should do your part to uphold them.

I think this kind of client-side hashing and comparing to a database list is similar to the scanners at every Wal-Mart and the procedures at airports.

I don't remember airport security scanners at my local supermarket.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by exo762 » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:10 AM UTC

ddtaylor wrote: post #173

josefx wrote: post #171

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How does showing Lion King at your kids birthday party qualify for any of that? I know I know, Disneys inability to collect money for every pair of eyes watching their movies during VHS times literally made it one of the poorest companies on the world. /s

Does this mean you don't support copyright?

Lots of people don't support copyright. It's a concept that should be abolished in it's current form. Right to attribution is OK. Ability to restrict other forms of use is not OK.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by bitcurious » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:10 AM UTC

Remember earlier this year when bing.com returned an empty page for the image search of tank man? We’re now moving towards a world where your phone can show you that same blank page.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by Fnoord » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:11 AM UTC

fsflover wrote: post #287

gorgoiler wrote: post #234

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> closed social networks It’s not clear that governments would give the open social networks an easier ride either. It could be argued that distributed FOSS developers are easier to pressurise into adding back doors, unless we officially make EFF our HR/Legal department. The other problem is workers have a right to be paid. The alternatives are FOSS and/or distributed social media. Who in good conscience would ask a…

> It could be argued that distributed FOSS developers are easier to pressurise into adding back doors All millions of them at the same time?

Of course not.

You'd only need a few important ones, and all you'd have to do is compromise them in one way or another. This can be done via coercion, via money, or by physically or virtually breaking into their system(s).

For example, if money can be an incentive, you can stimulate a FOSS dev to add a NOBUS vulnerability in code. Also, since all the code is public, organizations like NSA can do in-house fuzzing, keeping the findings to themselves.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by fsflover » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:18 AM UTC

kaba0 wrote: post #278

bigiain wrote: post #32

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> Stop. Using. Apple. But is there a realistically better alternative? Pinephone with a personally audited Linux distro? A jailbroken Android device with a non-stock firmware that you built yourself? A homebuilt RaspberryPi based device? A paper notepad and a film camera and an out of print street map?

The best bet is probably a pixel phone with GrapheneOS. (Do note, that copperhead os is a scam and is not to be used ) Gnu/linux phones have nonexistent security, other than being niche (so security by obscurity at most). And also, they are not yet usable as a daily driver for me personally, at least.

"Nonexistent security" is not an accurate description. It's just a totally different approach to security. It's verifiability.

https://puri.sm/posts/defending-against-spyware-like-pegasus...

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by fsflover » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:21 AM UTC

bigiain wrote: post #32

echelon wrote: post #25

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That document you downloaded that is critical of the party will land you and your family in jail. Enjoy your iPhone. Seriously, folks, we shouldn't celebrate Apple's death grip over their platform. It's dangerous for all of us. The more of you that use it, the more it creates a sort of "anti-herd immunity" towards totalitarian control. Apple talks "privacy", but jfc they're nothing of the sort. Apple gives zero shits…

> Stop. Using. Apple. But is there a realistically better alternative? Pinephone with a personally audited Linux distro? A jailbroken Android device with a non-stock firmware that you built yourself? A homebuilt RaspberryPi based device? A paper notepad and a film camera and an out of print street map?

> Pinephone with a personally audited Linux distro?

Even if you don't personally audit it, you still benefit from other people doing it. Especially if the software is reproducible (and many packages are).

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by ddtaylor » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:22 AM UTC

josefx wrote: post #342

ddtaylor wrote: post #308

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I think this kind of client-side hashing and comparing to a database list is similar to the scanners at every Wal-Mart and the procedures at airports.

I don't remember airport security scanners at my local supermarket.

I think that fits into the category of the Wal-Mart scanners which are at many stores.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by wayneftw » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:22 AM UTC

Chazprime wrote: post #338

xyzal wrote: post #326

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The fact that even the 'smart' people from HN can't wait for their new M1 laptop to arrive convinced me that humans are a lost cause.

FYI: M1 Macs can run Linux.

Do you?

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by JanneVee » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:22 AM UTC

So what would the process be for example if a unwitting parent or relative has pictures of a victim on their iPhone that is perceptually similar of their loved one being molested at day care something like that?