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Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by josefx »

ddtaylor wrote: post #167
josefx wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I repeat how does that keep anyone safe?

By enforcing the copyright laws that exist already to protect content creators from being counterfeited and ripped off by illegal scammers and bootleggers. Are you saying you don't agree with the concept of copyrights?

How does showing Lion King at your kids birthday party qualify for any of that?

I know I know, Disneys inability to collect money for every pair of eyes watching their movies during VHS times literally made it one of the poorest companies on the world. /s

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by sharken »

endgame wrote: post #138
SilverRed wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one here has a problem with the worst criminals being taken out. The problem is the scope creep that always comes after. In 2021 and 2020 we saw people being arrested for planning/promoting anti lockdown protests. Not for actually participating but for simply posting about it. The scope of what "harmful content" is is infinite. You might agree that police do need to take action against these people but surely you…

We also saw the police query "check-in" databases which were pitched to the public as "for contact-tracing purposes only". Scope creep is inevitable.

Do you have sources for this ?

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by ddtaylor »

josefx wrote: post #171
ddtaylor wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By enforcing the copyright laws that exist already to protect content creators from being counterfeited and ripped off by illegal scammers and bootleggers. Are you saying you don't agree with the concept of copyrights?

How does showing Lion King at your kids birthday party qualify for any of that? I know I know, Disneys inability to collect money for every pair of eyes watching their movies during VHS times literally made it one of the poorest companies on the world. /s

Does this mean you don't support copyright?

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by nbzso »

KirillPanov wrote: post #156
nbzso wrote: post #23

Since Snowden I use my phone in minimalistic way. Phone calls. Minimal texting. No games. Banking apps if necessary. Treat your phones as an enemy. Use real computers with VPN and software like Little Snitch when online. Use cameras for photography and video. The benefits of this approach are immense. I have long attention span. I don't have fear of missing out. If governments wan't the future to be painted by tracin…

> Since Snowden I use my phone in minimalistic way. Dude, you carry it around with you, with its radio enabled. You're just fooling yourself.

Yes, I am a dumb person obviously. Thanks for your invaluable input. Dude. But my use case is not to hide or remove digital exhaust. Creating habit of limited usage is more important and realistic. Funny part is that as a side-effect I don't cary my smartphone around so much. I have separate GPS system in my cars and dumb phone for emergency.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by figassis »

And with this, the fear politics are in effect. Just from reading the comments it seems one can no longer be 100% sure their phone is clean. So people will live in constant fear that on some random Tuesday the cops will come knocking, your reputation will be destroyed and in the end when you’re cleared, you will have incurred incredible financial and mental costs. This is just aside the fact that your phone should be your phone and no one should be allowed.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by josefx »

ddtaylor wrote: post #173
josefx wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does showing Lion King at your kids birthday party qualify for any of that? I know I know, Disneys inability to collect money for every pair of eyes watching their movies during VHS times literally made it one of the poorest companies on the world. /s

Does this mean you don't support copyright?

Do you support mandatory cavity searches after every shopping trip? Property laws are important, you should do your part to uphold them.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by optimiz3 »

endgame wrote: post #138
SilverRed wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one here has a problem with the worst criminals being taken out. The problem is the scope creep that always comes after. In 2021 and 2020 we saw people being arrested for planning/promoting anti lockdown protests. Not for actually participating but for simply posting about it. The scope of what "harmful content" is is infinite. You might agree that police do need to take action against these people but surely you…

We also saw the police query "check-in" databases which were pitched to the public as "for contact-tracing purposes only". Scope creep is inevitable.

Source? Most of these systems didn't disclose location.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by ChrisKnott »

furi wrote: post #152
ChrisKnott wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "What is the utopian perspective of this which counterbalances the risks for this to be a path worth taking?" Basically victims of rape don't want imagery of their rape freely distributed as pornography. They consider that a violation of their rights. It's interesting how many users in this thread are instinctively siding with the offenders in this, and not the victims. Presumably because they made it through their…

I feel it's a little disingenuous to describe millions of innocent people being surveilled as "the offenders" because there are a handful of actual offenders among them.

I didn't do that...?

There's a small number of victims, a small number of offenders (but much more than "a handful"), and hundreds of millions of other users. This change is in the direct interest of victims, direct opposition to offenders.

Most normal people probably support the measures in solidarity with group 1, HN generally doesn't.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by bississippi »

SilverRed wrote: post #105
Santosh83 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the utopian perspective of this which counterbalances the risks for this to be a path worth taking? Apple takes care of everything for you, and they have your best interests at heart. You will be safe, secure, private and seamlessly integrated with your beautiful devices, so you can more efficiently consume. What's not to like about a world where child crime, terrorism, abuse, radical/harmful content and mi…

No one here has a problem with the worst criminals being taken out. The problem is the scope creep that always comes after. In 2021 and 2020 we saw people being arrested for planning/promoting anti lockdown protests. Not for actually participating but for simply posting about it. The scope of what "harmful content" is is infinite. You might agree that police do need to take action against these people but surely you…

We also saw HN shadow banning entire IP CIDR blocks because they didn’t like argument against fleeting CDC guidance that was put forth or the Chinese lab origin theory in 2020. You can’t register from these CIDR blocks. If you had an account before the comments would just end up in a black hole. Dang can explain.

Re: Apple enabling client-side CSAM scanning on iPhone tomorrow

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Post by sharken »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #170

Even when this reaches its final conclusion, policing copyrighted and political content, people will still be content to use their i-spy-devices. The future is grim; it's now.

The idea of this scanner is good, but as you say it's almost certainly bound to evolve into something else.

A court order should be mandatory, not this blanket scanning.

Thankfully, there is the option to steer clear of Apple devices.

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